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Tuesday, April 22, 2008

Re: Question about a Book


dandavats maharaj and vaisnavas

Everything that is written in the material world is the resting place of the crows as Srila Prabhupada put it. Also we are told every thing is created by the mind of people is bond to fail as we are told we have four defects which are the tendency, and the  to cheat. to make mistakes, we are in illusion, and have imperfect sense.

And unless you had the good fortune to have a good Gurudev to guide to then you will fail. We have to protect our self with the tools our Gurudev gave us, The maha mantra, his books, his lectures, and his kirttans, then we will be safe. Listen to his words only take prasadam that you offered your Gurudev, or the deity of Sri Guru Garanga, and Radha Krsna. Only by good fortune and the mercy of Sri Guru Gauranga we will be protected when we  need to read these material newspaper, book etc for preaching.

lowerthanarat



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Re: acceptance and equal vision


Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krsna
Thank you on wonderful answers and discussion. Nityananda Gauranga
Topic of this thread is acceptance and equal vision. I agree with all points that you had made. We should be always humble and tolerant, really see ourselves  insignificant and fallen. Let us discuss more! What is right vision? Is it our perception of material connections /father/relatives/son etc or it is vision that we all are spiritual souls? Is right vision - Krsna's vision? Arjuna did not want to fight - that was his vision, but Krsna said to Him - fight, that was His vision. Sri Minaketana Ramadasa was highest devotee of Lord, yet He become extremely angry and broke his flute due his anger when devotee  disrespect Lord Nityananda, evan that devotee was worshiping Lord Krsna at thatsame  time! Interesting.
Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krsna
Igor



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Re: acceptance and equal vision


Dear Maharajs and Vaisnavas dandavats

Surly a Vaisnava respects every one, and is tolerant and humble with every one.
As in Sri Gita the sages see everyone equally.
But we must protect our self just like if we go into a contaminated  place we protact ourself
by making sure we have the right inoculations.
The same goes when we meet some Vaisnavas who are not following the same Gaudiya Vaisnava path, or may be offensive to our Gurudev so we offer our respects at a distance.

I noticed I am classed as a devotee please dear friends I am not a devotee.
I am only trying to practice; so please  can call me a practitioner.
Only those great souls who are devoted 24-7 365 days a year are devotees in my eyes.

lowerthanarat



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Re: acceptance and equal vision


Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krishna!

Dear Bhakta Igor, please accept my humble obeisances.

We can also reverse the question and ask ourselves: Do we need to be selective and be �good� to some people and to others not? Do we judge a person from the point of view of our eternal constitutional position or from our material conditioned position? In the material conditioning people fight like cats and dogs over the most insignificant things, they are all angry by default because they can never satisfy themselves enough. Their sense gratification is like fuel on the fire and they are entangled in the blazing fire of so much pain. In most cases their anger is a deep frustration and a cry for help: please take my pain away and show me a way that I can be fully satisfied! Are we indifferent to their cry? Or are we full of compassion towards them? Is our answer towards them from the spiritual point of view or the material one?

Our answer is closely related to our own spiritual development. When we would see the Lord in everything, in every living being, when we see the actual position of everyone of being an eternal happy servant of the Lord, how can we act differently than out of full respect and compassion? Just our very divine vision itself forbids us to be �not good� to them and we bow down before the Lord in them. A practical example: A friend of mine made some speculative remarks about devotional service. He more or less fantasized about how the Lord should act towards him. I felt compelled to raise my finger and say �no, no, that�s not the way you can think.� He in turn became really mad at me and raised his voice and said that he could say and think whatever he wanted. His said that his vision was as much worth as mine and he didn�t like my waiving with the finger and �teaching� him differently. I picked up my beadbag and started chanting, not provocative but silently within myself to seek refuge in the Lord because the last thing I wanted was to get mad also. After about twenty minutes my friend fell flat on the floor and asked for my forgiveness�he said: �You have convinced me. I was angry at you and your only answer was love. I am so sorry for my behavior.� I told him: �Actually it was my fault because I should never have waived my finger and act so teacher-like, I should have been more subtle in my reply.� Anyway, we hugged and we chanted and song kirtan for hours together.

It was tempting to reply with discussion, arguments and proud knowledge. It is so easy to �bite� back, especially when I think I am right. It is the art of devotional service to be humble and to elevate the environment. When we can somehow become less than others, �get under them�, we can carry them out on our shoulders. When we try to stay on top both we will sink deeper. Humbleness is such an art and especially challenging when others are not appreciative and even criticize our small devotional activities. But when we become unharmonious with them what result can we expect? Do we please the Lord by becoming indifferent towards them?

There is an exception when it means that our own Bhakti comes in danger. It all depends on our own devotional strength like we were discussing in the other treat about mayavadis. Their teachings can be very dangerous for our own bhajana and drag us down from the path of Bhakti.

The answer to the war between the suras and asuras is given by Lord Krishna in another Yuga. He came to destroy all the demons. But in this Yuga the most merciful Lord Nityananda and Lord Gauranga came to deliver all living entities and They don�t make any distinction between good and bad. They simply came to deliver all. When we want to be a part of Lord Gauranga�s sankirtana movement we have the obligation to learn to see everybody in his or her constitutional position so we can act upon our divine vision and �elevate our environment�.

Thanks Igor for your nice question.

Your servant,

Hadai Nityananda dasa

Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krishna!



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Re: acceptance and equal vision


I dont know for sure Igor, but if I am disrespectful or not humble, which is often....then I feel deep longing to see Krsna in all due to lack. As Hadai said, when we are not full of ourself, Krsna then has room to dance. Maybe we should try to cultivate within that all others are more realized in their hearts than us. And lately as family and others open to me, by good fortune, I realize its actually true. Elders are full of wisdom and patience, also cultivating the best they can.



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Re: acceptance and equal vision


Nava wrote:

Its an internal work that needs to be done to have harmonious relations with others, and the environment.
And necessary for me to learn to be a good servant oneday. And a good friend to all..

Nitaai Gauraaaa
I agree. Just one more or less relevant question:Do we need to be "good" to all? I mean, I have been in numerous situations where persons, relatives etc do not appreciate devotional activities, and yet I acted according to trinad api sunicena verse, trying to be humble and tolerant. Does "to be tolerant" mean to be tolerant toward persons who are not appreciative and even criticize our small devotional activities? Do we really need to be harmonious toward all? There is war among sura and asuras described in Bhagavatam. I mean do we need to be harmonious for any price toward those who are not in harmony with Bhagavan?
Nityananda Gauranga
Igor



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