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Re: Offender chanting Hare Krishna


@ Srinath: Dear Srinath, Thank you for your kind request. Unfortunately bulk movements of posts from one topic to another is giving an error right now and to move each post one by one is a big task. And since envy is the basic cause for Vaishnava Aparadha which is turn in the biggest offense in chanting Hare Krishna, I don't think that this discussion is fully off-topic. We have has this long topic discussion after quite some time and I am quite happy with everyone's participation.

@ Nava, thanks your nice posts. One thing to know is the book "Our Original Position" establishes a totally wrong conclusion and incorrect siddhanta that we have fallen from Goloka and it erroneously uses some divine pastimes like the descent of Shrimati Radha or Shrimati Tulasi to falsely conclude  that the souls can fall down from Goloka. The ultimate conclusion in the words of Shrila Prabhupada is that..."It is a fact that no one falls from Vaikuntha..." in his SB 4th Canto purport.

Daaso'smi, BR Sadhu Swami Gaurangapada.



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Re: Vice of Fault Finding


Dear lowerthanarat, Thanks for a nice quote of Shrila Prabhupada. The truth is good, but what I was going to say in this context that unless we pretty sure about the pure and exact truth, it is dangerous territory to judge other devotees based on what we have heard or even seen since our senses are not perfect. In our conditioned stage, we cannot grasp how a soul may be dear to Naama Prabhu or the Lord, even if the soul has some faults in one's character or committed some mistakes. There have been exalted Acharyas like Shrila Raghunatha Bhatta Goswami who have not been interested to judge or point out the faults of even someone who had committed genuine mistakes. They used to say that all are better than themselves and never hear about the faults of others. They even avoided calling a spade as a spade and fully concentrated on their own Naama Bhajana as they understood that criticizing someone else is not going to help in any way in their own Bhajana.

Daaso'smi, BR Sadhu Swami Gaurangapada.



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Re: Offender chanting Hare Krishna


Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krsna!

Dear Bhakta Tommy, dandavat pranams!

Thank you for your response to my questions. I just did a little search on 'envy' in the Nitaai Veda and found this: 

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Envy does not manifest in the spiritual world.

The most important thing about the spiritual world is that there is no envy among the devotees there. (Bhag. 3.15.19, purp - click.)

Where not only is life eternal, blissful and full of knowledge... ignorance, misery, egoism, anger and envy–are completely absent. (Cc. Adi 5.22, purp - click here.)

 

There is no envy in the spiritual world. The OOP's book states that when a resident there becomes envious he must leave because envy is not allowed. We do not agree that envy can manifest even for a fraction of a second. If you wish to light a match in a gas filled room and think that you may go outside after lighting the match you will blow yourself up first, you cannot have the fire in the room for a moment. Similarly envy cannot even manifest in the spiritual realm--the nature of the spiritual world is such that the unpleasant conditions under which envy and other negative material qualities may develop are completely absent there, as we have shown with the many references quoted herein.

y.s. Nava.



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Envy (transcendant and shadow)


Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krsna!

Dear Swami Gaurangapada and assembled devotees, please accept my dandavat pranams!

Here is an article I wrote for your pleasure:

Envy (transcendent and shadow)

Here is some collection of verses about envy. We can see that envy prevalent in this material world, and such is never found in the Spiritual Dimension. ‘All things’ in this shadowy material world are perverted reflection of spiritual realities and qualities. The distortion in this material world is due to a false lording mentality. That perverted lording mentality is not present in the Spiritual World. In the Spiritual World all pastimes are to enhance the Divine Couple – the pastimes of pure love.

We can also see when the Lord (Sri Krsna) comes to this world he enjoys sports. So various devotees come in the guise of demons to enhance the Lord’s great sporting ability. In this connection there is interesting commentary by Srila Prabhupada Nectar of Devotion:

“…there is a statement by Narada Muni to Yudhistira in the Srimad Bhagavatam 7.1.30. There Narada says, ‘My dear King, there are many devotees who first become attracted to the Personality of Godhead for purpose of sense-gratification, from being envious of Him, out of fear of Him, or from desiring to associate affectionately with Him. Ultimately these attractions become freed from all material contamination, and gradually the worshiper develops spiritual love and achieves that ultimate goal of life desired by the pure devotee.”

Srila Prabhupada goes on to say later in this section of the NOD…”The attraction of Kamsa to Krsna in fear and the attraction of Sisupala in envy are not accepted as devotional service, however, because their attitudes are not favourable.”

The demons actually attain impersonal liberation, as such a mood cannot enter into the pure service land of Goloka Vrindavan.

Interestingly in Gaudiya Sastra (transcendental literature) elaborating on the science of love of God, there is mention of envy. In Chapter 31 of Nectar of Devotion (commentary of Sri Bhakti-rasamrta sindhu by Srila Rupa Goswami) when find the following statement:

“All the previously mentioned thirty three symptoms of ecstatic love are called vyabichari, or disturbing. All these symptoms refer to apparantely disturbed conditions, but even in such disturbed conditions there is acute ecstatic love for Krsna….There are many disturbing symptoms in ecstatic love, such as envy, anxiety, pride, jealousy etc…”

We also find in very elevated scripture (that can only be tasted by the pure-rasika devotees) the following evidence of such things as transcendental envy:

From Ujjvala Nilamani:

“Jatila: My dear daughter Padma, from where have you come? Padma: Mother Jatila, I have come from Govardhana Hill. Jatila: Where are the gopis? Have you seen them? Padma: They are in front of the sun-god's temple. Jatila: Such a long time has passed. why has Radharani not come here yet? Padma: Krishna stopped Her as She was coming here. Please go now, find Her, and angrily attack Her.

The pratipaksa (enemy) sakhis manifest the following qualities in their words and actions: 1. cadma (trickery); 2. irsya (jealousy); 3. capala (fickleness); 4. asuya (envy); 5. matsara (hostility); 6. amarsa (anger); and 7. garvita (pride).”

So it must be noted here that such high transcendental emotions have nothing to do with the perverted qualities we have developed through the ignorance of sense gratification. But it may also be said that the Divine Literatures have been revealed for the purification and upliftment of all souls caught in illusion.

So, beginning a life of regulation under the guidance of a realized spiritual master, we can begin the gradual and progressive walk back to Godhead. By simple regulated practice such as hearing and chanting etc.

Beginning with hearing preliminary instruction, for example we are not this body, and the fact that sense gratification is the cause of bondage…combined with hearing the glorious pastimes of the Lord from sacred scripture, we can gradually be purified.

By all humility in following regulation, in due course as our hearts become further purified…one day we may be able to hear the spotless pastimes of Sri Sri Radha-Krsna. But saying that, if we rush ahead into the rasika literature we will not understand its purport. Instead we will  the mistake comparing the all-pure with mundane affairs. Commiting the grossest of offences – trampling the delicate.

The vedic literature(s) is so great, that the texts have been written to elevate all classes of men. Similarly as divine love is ever-new, the rasika literature invokes service mood, to the Divine Couple, in the hearts of the spotless and pure.

So we can see that vedic literature, from the basic instructions on moral life, to the most elevated science of divine love, has been manifested by the Lord’s mercy, for all souls at various levels of spiritual development. Infact it is a great misjudgement to say that a  soul is not in service, even the atheist serves the Lord, who comes as cruel death.

So let us dive deeply into hearing, the heroic, the loving, the gentle, and adventurous (etc) pastimes of our beloved Lord Sri Krsna. Never running ahead of ourselves with false pride, but instead attuning our spiritual ear, to the gentle promptings of both internal and external Guru. For they will direct our life to its fullest potential.

Jaya Gurudeva!

Yous servant….Nava.



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Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna!

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Re: Offender chanting Hare Krishna


Respected Swamiji and all Vaisnavas,

      Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krishna! Please accept my respectful obeisances!

      This thread has come a long way from where it started and devotees have ben pouring nectar after nectar in every post. However the topic seems to have moved away from Chanting Hare Krishna maha mantra with offenses -- so please forgive me, but I would request that the last few posts may be moved to a separate topic by itself to give it due respect. At the moment it seems to be discussing spiritual emotions

        Regarding envy and other things, first of all the ultimate disease of the conditioned soul is the desire to become the Lord -- which manifests as the false ego. This world is a place for those souls who think they're the Lord and it is specifically designed to kick that false ego out and replace it with the realisation of devotional serivce as one's real nature.

        Lust is the desire to enjoy the material world. Frustration of material desires causes anger, eventually leading to loss of intelligence, bewilderment and ultimately greed. When one soul sees another soul better than oneself in any aspect, that ego, "I am the Lord. How dare he try to better me?", comes in and that is the root cause of envy in the material world. Its all a question of where we place our identification. Its complicated really -- but envy of others is due to the material identification. Yes it is a fact that the conditioned souls do envy the Lord because they desire his position. Envy is always there if anyone is superior to us in some way, whoever it is.

        So since the Lord is the ultimate in everything, the biggest amount of envy is usually reserved for him!

         Regarding spiritual emotions, they cannot be compared to the emotions of the material world. While the material world is called a shadow of the spiritual abode, it is a highly perverted, distorted shadow and so analysis of spiritual emotions with only material knowledge of language is imperfect and completely inaccurate. Although descriptions are given in the Nectar of Devotion, it can be understood only by realisation.

          The envy, anger, or competition in the spiritual world cannot be compared to their perverted versions in the material world. Unless there is divine realisation involved, one cannot know what they are. I cannot describe them as I have no realisation and senior devotees have advised me that its not a matter of just knowing or digesting information. They say that trying to mentally speculate on them is not only useless, it is also dangerous to do so.

          Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Prabhupada : "The materialistic demeanor cannot possibly stretch to the transcendental autocrat who is ever inviting the fallen conditioned souls to associate with Him through devotion or eternal serving mood. The phenomenal attractions are often found to tempt sentient beings to enjoy the variegated position which is opposed to undifferenced monism. People are so much apt to indulge in transitory speculations even when they are to educate themselves on a situation beyond their empiric area or experiencing jurisdiction. The esoteric aspect often knocks them to trace out immanence in their outward inspection of transitory and transformable things. This impulse moves them to fix the position of the immanent to an indeterminate impersonal entity, no clue of which could be discerned by moving earth and heaven through their organic senses." (Brahma Samhita Introduction).

A humble attempt to describe my experience,

Srinath



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Re: Offender chanting Hare Krishna


Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krsna!

Dear Swami Gaurangapada and assembled devotees,

please accept my simple obiesances.

This is also a nice read from Nitaai Veda - click here

Envy and the Hand of God

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Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna! Resentment and envy for the success of others are actually a sign of cowardice, a sign of the ab­sence of the courage to accept the reality that we cannot control the world around us. We are disturbing the peace of mind for no gains whatsoever, because nobody has the power to change the will of God. Wisdom lies in understanding that the happiness and distress destined for us at the time of our birth, as fixed according to our past karma, are inevitably going to come, no matter what we do. just as distress comes in our life unin­vited, by higher arrangement, happiness will  also come of its own accord.

Therefore real wisdom lies in seeing the loving and well-wish­ing hand of God behind everything that hap­pens in our lives. Only with such a vision can we live in peace. But if a person is jealous of others and is trying to pull them down or destroy them, then he can never be at peace. Why? Because such a person is concerned not so much with how well he has fared, but with how badly others have fared. His success lies in the fail­ure of others. His mentality is like that of a crab, who having been trapped in a fisherman's basket along with many other crabs, is wor­ried, not about saving his own life by jumping out of the basket, but about pulling other crabs down so that he may stay at a higher level than them within the basket. What an utterly foolish mentality!

Therefore an intelligent person, a devotee of God, does not measure his success by such a meaningless standard - the failure of oth­ers. He understands that real success in life is in pleasing God because only by the mercy of God can all problems be solved, once and for all. And  knowing that everything happens by the will of God, he lives by the wise saying: what cannot be cured has to be endured.

This same truth is taught by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-gita (2.14)
matra sparsas tu kaunteya sitosna sukba duhkha dah
agamapayino 'nityas tarns titikisasva bharata

Krishna says, "O son of Kunti, the non-permanent appearance of happiness and distress, and their disappearance in due course, are like the appearance and disappearance of winter and summer seasons. They arise from sense perception, O scion of Bharata, and one must learn to tolerate them without being dis­turbed."

For example, the duty of a housewife is to cook. In the summer season, though the kitchen may be very hot, she cannot say, "I will cook only in the winter. In summer, the kitchen is very hot. So I cannot cook." Even though the kitchen may be hot, she has to just tolerate the heat and go on with her duty of cooking.

In the same way, we have to know that there are many things in life, which are beyond our control. If a person thinks, "I can control ev­erything in every situation throughout my life", the mind of such a person will be literally torn to pieces. An intelligent person knows that God is the Supreme Controller and that He is controlling everything that is happening throughout the world as well as in his own life. Such a person, who sees with the eyes of knowledge, can understand that he is bound from head to toe by the laws of nature. When we ourselves are so completely controlled, how then can we expect to control every situ­ation, or for that matter, any situation? Therefore though there may be hundreds of incon­veniences, annoyances and irritations from the moment we wake up every morning to the moment we sleep at night (and even when we are asleep), we have to understand that they are not within our power to change. So we should learn to tolerate them without be­ing disturbed. (Compiled by Radheshyam Dasa, Jaigopala Dasa, Chaitanya Charana Dasa, Sundara Vara Dasa.)

 

 



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Re: Vice of Fault Finding


Srila Prabhupada said" Of course to call a thief a thief is not faultfinding

Bhagavad Gita chapter 16 VERSE 1-3

The Supreme Personality of Godhead said: Fearlessness; purification of one�s existence; cultivation of spiritual knowledge; charity; self-control; performance of sacrifice; study of the Vedas; austerity; simplicity; nonviolence; truthfulness; freedom from anger; renunciation; tranquillity; aversion to faultfinding; compassion for all living entities; freedom from covetousness; gentleness; modesty; steady determination; vigor; forgiveness; fortitude; cleanliness; and freedom from envy and from the passion for honor�these transcendental qualities, O son of Bharata, belong to godly men endowed with divine nature.

PURPORT

In the beginning of the Fifteenth Chapter, the banyan tree of this material world was explained. The extra roots coming out of it were compared to the activities of the living entities, some auspicious, some inauspicious. In the Ninth Chapter, also, the devas, or godly, and the asuras, the ungodly, or demons, were explained. Now, according to Vedic rites, activities in the mode of goodness are considered auspicious for progress on the path of liberation, and such activities are known as daivi prakrti, transcendental by nature. Those who are situated in the transcendental nature make progress on the path of liberation. For those who are acting in the modes of passion and ignorance, on the other hand, there is no possibility of liberation. Either they will have to remain in this material world as human beings, or they will descend among the species of animals or even lower life forms. In this Sixteenth Chapter the Lord explains both the transcendental nature and its attendant qualities and the demoniac nature and its qualities. He also explains the advantages and disadvantages of these qualities.

The word abhijatasya in reference to one born of transcendental qualities or godly tendencies is very significant. To beget a child in a godly atmosphere is known in the Vedic scriptures as Garbhadhana-samskara. If the parents want a child in the godly qualities they should follow the ten principles recommended for the social life of the human being. In Bhagavad-gita we have studied also before that sex life for begetting a good child is Krsna Himself. Sex life is not condemned, provided the process is used in Krsna consciousness. Those who are in Krsna consciousness at least should not beget children like cats and dogs but should beget them so that they may become Krsna conscious after birth. That should be the advantage of children born of a father and mother absorbed in Krsna consciousness.

The social institution known as varnasrama-dharma�the institution dividing society into four divisions of social life and four occupational divisions or castes�is not meant to divide human society according to birth. Such divisions are in terms of educational qualifications. They are to keep the society in a state of peace and prosperity. The qualities mentioned herein are explained as transcendental qualities meant for making a person progress in spiritual understanding so that he can get liberated from the material world.

In the varnasrama institution the sannyasi, or the person in the renounced order of life, is considered to be the head or the spiritual master of all the social statuses and orders. A brahmana is considered to be the spiritual master of the three other sections of a society, namely, the ksatriyas, the vaisyas and the sudras, but a sannyasi, who is on the top of the institution, is considered to be the spiritual master of the brahmanas also. For a sannyasi, the first qualification should be fearlessness. Because a sannyasi has to be alone without any support or guarantee of support, he has simply to depend on the mercy of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. If one thinks, "After I leave my connections, who will protect me?" he should not accept the renounced order of life. One must be fully convinced that Krsna or the Supreme Personality of Godhead in His localized aspect as Paramatma is always within, that He is seeing everything and He always knows what one intends to do. One must thus have firm conviction that Krsna as Paramatma will take care of a soul surrendered to Him. "I shall never be alone," one should think. "Even if I live in the darkest regions of a forest I shall be accompanied by Krsna, and He will give me all protection." That conviction is called abhayam, fearlessness. This state of mind is necessary for a person in the renounced order of life.

Then he has to purify his existence. There are so many rules and regulations to be followed in the renounced order of life. Most important of all, a sannyasi is strictly forbidden to have any intimate relationship with a woman. He is even forbidden to talk with a woman in a secluded place. Lord Caitanya was an ideal sannyasi, and when He was at Puri His feminine devotees could not even come near to offer their respects. They were advised to bow down from a distant place. This is not a sign of hatred for women as a class, but it is a stricture imposed on the sannyasi not to have close connections with women. One has to follow the rules and regulations of a particular status of life in order to purify his existence. For a sannyasi, intimate relations with women and possession of wealth for sense gratification are strictly forbidden. The ideal sannyasi was Lord Caitanya Himself, and we can learn from His life that He was very strict in regards to women. Although He is considered to be the most liberal incarnation of Godhead, accepting the most fallen conditioned souls, He strictly followed the rules and regulations of the sannyasa order of life in connection with association with woman. One of His personal associates, namely Chota Haridasa, was associated with Lord Caitanya along with His other confidential personal associates, but somehow or other this Chota Haridasa looked lustily on a young woman, and Lord Caitanya was so strict that He at once rejected him from the society of His personal associates. Lord Caitanya said, "For a sannyasi or anyone who is aspiring to get out of the clutches of material nature and trying to elevate himself to the spiritual nature and go back home, back to Godhead, for him, looking toward material possessions and women for sense gratification�not even enjoying them, but just looking toward them with such a propensity�is so condemned that he had better commit suicide before experiencing such illicit desires." So these are the processes for purification.

The next item is jnana-yoga-vyavasthiti: being engaged in the cultivation of knowledge. Sannyasi life is meant for distributing knowledge to the householders and others who have forgotten their real life of spiritual advancement. A sannyasi is supposed to beg from door to door for his livelihood, but this does not mean that he is a beggar. Humility is also one of the qualifications of a transcendentally situated person, and out of sheer humility the sannyasi goes from door to door, not exactly for the purpose of begging, but to see the householders and awaken them to Krsna consciousness. This is the duty of a sannyasi. If he is actually advanced and so ordered by his spiritual master, he should preach Krsna consciousness with logic and understanding, and if one is not so advanced he should not accept the renounced order of life. But even if one has accepted the renounced order of life without sufficient knowledge, he should engage himself fully in hearing from a bona fide spiritual master to cultivate knowledge. A sannyasi, or one in the renounced order of life, must be situated in fearlessness, sattva-samsuddhi (purity) and jnana-yoga (knowledge).

The next item is charity. Charity is meant for the householders. The householders should earn a livelihood by an honorable means and spend fifty percent of their income to propagate Krsna consciousness all over the world. Thus a householder should give in charity to institutional societies that are engaged in that way. Charity should be given to the right receiver. There are different kinds of charity, as will be explained later on�charity in the modes of goodness, passion and ignorance. Charity in the mode of goodness is recommended by the scriptures, but charity in the modes of passion and ignorance is not recommended, because it is simply a waste of money. Charity should be given only to propagate Krsna consciousness all over the world. That is charity in the mode of goodness.

Then as far as dama (self-control) is concerned, it is not only meant for other orders of religious society, but is especially meant for the householder. Although he has a wife, a householder should not use his senses for sex life unnecessarily. There are restrictions for the householders even in sex life, which should only be engaged in for the propagation of children. If he does not require children, he should not enjoy sex life with his wife. Modern society enjoys sex life with contraceptive methods or more abominable methods to avoid the responsibility of children. This is not in the transcendental quality, but is demoniac. If anyone, even if he is a householder, wants to make progress in spiritual life, he must control his sex life and should not beget a child without the purpose of serving Krsna. If he is able to beget children who will be in Krsna consciousness, one can produce hundreds of children, but without this capacity one should not indulge only for sense pleasure.

Sacrifice is another item to be performed by the householders, because sacrifices require a large amount of money. Those in other orders of life, namely brahmacarya, vanaprastha and sannyasa, have no money; they live by begging. So performance of different types of sacrifice is meant for the householders. They should perform agni-hotra sacrifices as enjoined in the Vedic literature, but such sacrifices at the present moment are very expensive, and it is not possible for any householder to perform them. The best sacrifice recommended in this age is called sankirtana-yajna. This sankirtana-yajna, the chanting of Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare, is the best and most inexpensive sacrifice; everyone can adopt it and derive benefit. So these three items, namely charity, sense control and performance of sacrifice, are meant for the householder.

Then svadhyaya, Vedic study, is meant for brahmacarya, or student life. Brahmacaris should have no connection with women; they should live a life of celibacy and engage the mind in the study of Vedic literature for cultivation of spiritual knowledge. This is called svadhyaya.

Tapas, or austerity, is especially meant for the retired life. One should not remain a householder throughout his whole life; he must always remember that there are four divisions of life�brahmacarya, grhastha, vanaprastha and sannyasa. So after grhastha, householder life, one should retire. If one lives for a hundred years, he should spend twenty-five years in student life, twenty-five in householder life, twenty-five in retired life and twenty-five in the renounced order of life. These are the regulations of the Vedic religious discipline. A man retired from household life must practice austerities of the body, mind and tongue. That is tapasya. The entire varnasrama-dharma society is meant for tapasya. Without tapasya, or austerity, no human being can get liberation. The theory that there is no need of austerity in life, that one can go on speculating and everything will be nice, is recommended neither in the Vedic literature nor in Bhagavad-gita. Such theories are manufactured by show-bottle spiritualists who are trying to gather more followers. If there are restrictions, rules and regulations, people will not become attracted. Therefore those who want followers in the name of religion, just to have a show only, don�t restrict the lives of their students, nor their own lives. But that method is not approved by the Vedas.

As far as the brahminical quality of simplicity is concerned, not only should a particular order of life follow this principle, but every member, be he in the brahmacari asrama, grhastha asrama, vanaprastha asrama or sannyasa asrama. One should be very simple and straightforward.

Ahimsa means not arresting the progressive life of any living entity. One should not think that since the spirit spark is never killed even after the killing of the body there is no harm in killing animals for sense gratification. People are now addicted to eating animals, in spite of having an ample supply of grains, fruits and milk. There is no necessity for animal killing. This injunction is for everyone. When there is no alternative, one may kill an animal, but it should be offered in sacrifice. At any rate, when there is an ample food supply for humanity, persons who are desiring to make advancement in spiritual realization should not commit violence to animals. Real ahimsa means not checking anyone�s progressive life. The animals are also making progress in their evolutionary life by transmigrating from one category of animal life to another. If a particular animal is killed, then his progress is checked. If an animal is staying in a particular body for so many days or so many years and is untimely killed, then he has to come back again in that form of life to complete the remaining days in order to be promoted to another species of life. So their progress should not be checked simply to satisfy one�s palate. This is called ahimsa.

Satyam. This word means that one should not distort the truth for some personal interest. In Vedic literature there are some difficult passages, but the meaning or the purpose should be learned from a bona fide spiritual master. That is the process for understanding the Vedas. Sruti means that one should hear from the authority. One should not construe some interpretation for his personal interest. There are so many commentaries on Bhagavad-gita that misinterpret the original text. The real import of the word should be presented, and that should be learned from a bona fide spiritual master.

Akrodha means to check anger. Even if there is provocation one should be tolerant, for once one becomes angry his whole body becomes polluted. Anger is a product of the mode of passion and lust, so one who is transcendentally situated should check himself from anger. Apaisunam means that one should not find fault with others or correct them unnecessarily. Of course to call a thief a thief is not faultfinding, but to call an honest person a thief is very much offensive for one who is making advancement in spiritual life. Hri means that one should be very modest and must not perform some act which is abominable. Acapalam, determination, means that one should not be agitated or frustrated in some attempt. There may be failure in some attempt, but one should not be sorry for that; he should make progress with patience and determination.

The word tejas used here is meant for the ksatriyas. The ksatriyas should always be very strong to be able to give protection to the weak. They should not pose themselves as nonviolent. If violence is required, they must exhibit it. But a person who is able to curb down his enemy may under certain conditions show forgiveness. He may excuse minor offenses.

Saucam means cleanliness, not only in mind and body but in one�s dealings also. It is especially meant for the mercantile people, who should not deal in the black market. Nati-manita, not expecting honor, applies to the sudras, the worker class, which are considered, according to Vedic injunctions, to be the lowest of the four classes. They should not be puffed up with unnecessary prestige or honor and should remain in their own status. It is the duty of the sudras to offer respect to the higher class for the upkeep of the social order.

All these twenty-six qualifications mentioned are transcendental qualities. They should be cultivated according to the different statuses of social and occupational order. The purport is that even though material conditions are miserable, if these qualities are developed by practice, by all classes of men, then gradually it is possible to rise to the highest platform of transcendental realization.



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Re: Offender chanting Hare Krishna


Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krsna!

please accept my simple obeisances

"What would the root cause of subtle or gross envy be? (it seems to be so prevalent in this world.) Do the conditioned souls unconsciously also have envy of God as the Supreme?" By Nava

How can any envy be other than envy of God as the supreme as the Lord is the source of all oppulance and attractiveness.



aspiring service,

bhaktatommy



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There is no other way!


Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krsna!

Dear Swami Gaurangapada and assembled devotees,

please accept my full dandavat pranams!

Srila Sridhara Maharaja in his commentary on Srimad Bhagavatam (according to Krsna Book by Srila Prabhupada), acknowledges the supremacy of super-soul, who resides in the heart. In full surrender to the Lord in the heart, Srila Sridhara Maharaja's cry is 'please engage me in devotional service.'

Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu very much appreciated Srila Sridhara Maharaja's commentary on Srimad Bhagavatam.

We can see in the commentary posted below (by Srila Gaurangapada) that 'no self-effort' can deliver the soul from material bondage. Infact as the soul surrenders to super-soul many things will be revealed in the heart. And if the soul applies the intelligence, given by super-soul, she will surely realize the necessity of full surrender.

The material encagements, beginning with the gross elements, earth, water, fire, air and ether, and the subtle elements of mind, intelligence, and false ego...cover the spiritual nature of the living entity.

The living entity gains its power by what it has cultivated birth after birth. For example, by super-souls arrangement, we may receive the body of a great demigod, a powerful mystic yogi, a human being, or even a dog or hog. And we are limited in potency by that body. Bewildered. By the good fortune of the Lord's mercy we will realize the need for surrender - in due course that will become self-evident.

The mayavadi philosophers make the great mistake of identifying the minute soul as being equal and the same as super-soul. This is a huge error in philosophical discourse, and will not lead to the desired result.

We can see that the Supreme Lord, is never limited in potency by the body, as the conditioned jiva is limited. For example Lord Sri Krsna as a baby was still full in potency; as a 7 year old child Lord Krsna taught Indra humility - lifting Govardahan hill. The Lord has also exhibited His supremacy in the form of fish incarnation, and even a hog incarnation. The jiva is always prone to be covered by material energy, such is not the case with the Supreme Lord (and super-soul).

To finish here, Srila Sridhara Maharaja gives the final analysis - 'please grant me devotional service'.

Infact the devotee, through divine guidance, will realize surrender to the Holy Name is the all in all! The supreme perfection! The goal being pure, spotless, unmotivated devotion. The bhakti creeper, through the chanting of the Divine Names of Nityananda! Gauranga! and Hare Krsna!, will grow upward...penetrating all layers covering the soul...and this bhakti creeper will eventually take shade and shelter under the Lotus Feet of the Divine Couple, in Goloka Vrindavan.

Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu has given us the supremely perfect conclusion of all Vedanta. Suddha-bhakti. Scripture says, those with clear intelligence, in this age of Kali, will worship the Divine Incarnation who distributes the Holy Names. Jaya Sri Gauranga Mahaprabhu!

Let us pray that the Lord grants us the intelligence to press on in cultivation of bhakti, through the chanting of the Holy Names, which are non-different to God. So that, through surrender to supreme intelligence, we may take the journey back home, back to Godhead! Revealing our true nature as eternal servants.

Brhan Naradiya Purana -click here

The Brihan-naradiya Purana (38.126) states:

harer nama harer nama, harer namaiva kevalam;
kalau nasty eva nasty eva, nasty eva gatir anyatha.


“For spiritual progress in this Age of Kali which is full of quarrel and hypocrisy, there is no alternative, there is no alternative, there is no alternative to the holy name, the holy name, the holy name of the Lord.”

Purport by Swami Gaurangapada:

This verse is furthur explained in Shri Chaitanya-caritamrita, Adi-lila 17.22-26 & translated by Shrila Prabhupada as follows:

kali-kale nama-rupe krishna-avatara; nama haite haya sarva-jagat-nistara.

“In this Age of Kali, the holy name of the Lord, the Hare Krishna maha-mantra, is the incarnation of Lord Krishna. Simply by chanting the holy name, one associates with the Lord directly. Anyone who does this is certainly delivered.

dardhya lagi’ ‘harer nama’-ukti tina-vara; jada loka bujhaite punah ‘eva’-kara.

“This verse repeats the word ‘eva’ [‘certainly’] three times for emphasis, and it also three times repeats ‘harer nama’ [‘the holy name of the Lord’], just to make common people understand.

‘kevala’-shabde punarapi nishcaya-karana, jnana-yoga-tapa-karma-adi nivarana.

“The use of the word ‘kevala’ [‘only’] prohibits all other processes, such as the cultivation of knowledge, practice of mystic yoga, or performance of austerities and fruitive activities.

anyatha ye mane, tara nahika nistara nahi, nahi, nahi--e tina ‘eva’-kara

“This verse clearly states that anyone who accepts any other path (other than the chanting of Hare Krishna) cannot be delivered. This is the reason for the triple repetition ‘nothing else, nothing else, nothing else,’ which emphasizes the real process of self-realization.” (Purport ends)

y.s. Nava.

 



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Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krsna!

Please accept my simple obeisances


"All things in this world are a shadow of Divine reality...can these shortcomings be purified by study of the true substance? What is transcendental envy?" By Nava

How can envy be caused by something other than separation from the Lord. ?  What is envyable having attained the Lords association?

bhaktatommy



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multi timezone clock


Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krsna!

please accept my simple obeisances

Does anyone have a link to a clock with multiple times and timezones displayed for the desktop?

bhaktatommy



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Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krsna!

Dear Swami Gaurangapada, please accept my simple obiesances.

Thank you so much for the links, I was pondering the very same question as Matus over the last week.

Here is some verses (for the assembled devotees) from the links provided, that have helped in understanding:

CC Adi 5.37: Thus in the spiritual sky there are varieties of pastimes within the spiritual energy. Outside the Vaikuntha planets appears the impersonal reflection of light.

CC Adi 5.38: That impersonal Brahman effulgence consists only of the effulgent rays of the Lord. Those fit for sayujya liberation merge into that effulgence.

CC Adi 5.39: "Beyond the region of ignorance [the material cosmic manifestation] lies the realm of Siddhaloka. The Siddhas reside there, absorbed in the bliss of Brahman. Demons killed by the Lord also attain that realm."

CC Adi 5.40: In that spiritual sky, on the four sides of Narayana, are the second expansions of the quadruple expansions of Dvaraka.

CC Adi 5.41: Vasudeva, Sankarshana, Pradyumna and Aniruddha constitute this second quadruple. They are purely transcendental.

CC Adi 5.42: There [in the spiritual sky] the personal feature of Balarama called Maha-sankarshana is the shelter of the spiritual energy. He is the primary cause, the cause of all causes.

CC Adi 5.43: One variety of the pastimes of the spiritual energy is described as pure goodness [visuddha-sattva]. It comprises all the abodes of Vaikuntha.

CC Adi 5.44: The six attributes are all spiritual. Know for certain that they are all manifestations of the opulence of Sankarshana.

CC Adi 5.45: There is one marginal potency, known as the jiva. Maha-sankarshana is the shelter of all jivas.

CC Adi 5.46: Sankarshana is the original shelter of the purusha, from whom this world is created and in whom it is dissolved.

 

CC Adi 4.61: Lord Krishna's body is eternal [sat], full of knowledge [cit] and full of bliss [ananda]. His one spiritual energy manifests three forms.

CC Adi 4.62: Hladini is His aspect of bliss; sandhini, of eternal existence; and samvit, of cognizance, which is also accepted as knowledge.

CC Adi 4.63: "O Lord, You are the support of everything. The three attributes hladini, sandhini and samvit exist in You as one spiritual energy. But the material modes, which cause happiness, misery and mixtures of the two, do not exist in You, for You have no material qualities."

CC Adi 4.64: The essential portion of the sandhini potency is suddha-sattva. Lord Krishna's existence rests upon it.

CC Adi 4.65: Krishna's mother, father, abode, house, bedding, seats and so on are all transformations of suddha-sattva.

CC Adi 4.66: "The condition of pure goodness [suddha-sattva], in which the Supreme Personality of Godhead is revealed without any covering, is called vasudeva. In that pure state the Supreme Godhead, who is beyond the material senses and who is known as Vasudeva, is perceived by my mind."

CC Adi 4.67: The essence of the samvit potency is knowledge that the Supreme Personality of Godhead is Lord Krishna. All other kinds of knowledge, such as the knowledge of Brahman, are its components.

CC Adi 4.68: The essence of the hladini potency is love of God, the essence of love of God is emotion [bhava], and the ultimate development of emotion is mahabhava.

CC Adi 4.69: Sri Radha Thakurani is the embodiment of mahabhava. She is the repository of all good qualities and the crest jewel among all the lovely consorts of Lord Krishna.

aspiring service...Nava.



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Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krsna!

Dear Swami Gaurangapada and assembled devotees,

please accept my simple obiesances.

 

....they should be very very careful and weary about it and keep it free from any tinge of enviousness. by Swami Gaurangapada

What would the root cause of subtle or gross envy be? (it seems to be so prevalent in this world.) Do the conditioned souls unconsciously also have envy of God as the Supreme?

All things in this world are a shadow of Divine reality...can these shortcomings be purified by study of the true substance? What is transcendental envy?

y.s. Nava.

 



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Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krsna!

Dear Swami Gaurangapada and assembled devotees,

please accept my simple obiesances.

.....But as long as the souls are covered by the material bodies, the 100% purity of the soul is not accessible. by Swami Gaurangapada

Yesterday two devotees came to my home town distributing books (which was much appreciated). As association is rare here I took the opportunity to ask questions smile as the devotees had beautiful glowing effulgence.

One devotee mentioned that in the process of Naam bhajana we become more aware of the unwanted things in the heart. He said the Holy Name lights the heart up.

I gathered from his words, that once that stage of inner realization is attained , and our inner work deepens, we then begin the cultivation of humility.

It was very evident in this short encounter yesterday, that devotional association is very potent. The meeting was relishable because we had common ground...similar inner cultivation (even if at  different levels of development). And, that particular devotees wisdom and instruction was realized and heartfelt, and after that brief encounter for the rest of the day realizations appeared in my mind and heart.

However, when it comes to criticizm, the only business a devotee has in criticizm is that of his/her own qualifications to purify those around them? by BhaktaTommy

So this ongoing discussion at our online sangha, is most relishable. I appreciate this point very much Tommy. I will open up my heart for you all a little bit.

This mood which you have expressed here is something I would aspire for (real humility). I recall when we were serving in Second Life together you shared some wisdom with me. You said oneday, that each little hurdle we pass is like a little credit to our eternal bank account. You expressed that with the word 'ching-ching'. That little pearl stuck with me. It was from a realized heart.

What I found internally over the last year, since Second Life, is that my mind holds so many things from mis-cultivation. But by the grace of the Holy Name I can see that now. So the tendency to react to that mind state is slowed somewhat. Sure some dust of the past way arises still, but each time the test is passed there is definately a 'ching-ching' smile There seems to be a certain detachment from false impressions.

Gurudeva in a previous post mentioned the 'topmost devotee'.  Here is the ideal. To begin cultivation of a spiritual body:

Two verses comes to mind from Sri Rupa Goswami (Upadesamrita):

Verse Five:  '.......and one should associate with and faithfully serve  that pure devotee who is advanced in undeviated devotional service and whose heart is completely devoid of the propensity to criticize others.'

Verse Six: 'Being situated in his original Krsna consciousness position, a pure devotee does not identify with the body......Indeed one should overlook a devotee having a body born (with defects).....According to ordinary vision, such imperfections may seem prominent in the body of a pure devotee, but despite such seeming defects, the body of a pure devotee cannot be polluted. It is exactly like the waters of the Ganges, which sometimes during the rainy season are full of bubbles, foam, and mud. The Ganges water do not become polluted. Those who are advanced in spiritual understanding will bathe in the Ganges without considering the condition of the water.'

 

y.s. Nava.

 

 

 



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Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krsna!

please accept my simple obeisances,

Dear Nava,

Thank you for this information.  Thank you for continuing to inspire me to learn and grow in so many ways.

aspiring service,
bhaktatommy



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Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krsna!

please accept my humble obeisances

Dear Respected and Holy Swami Gaurangapada,

Thank You for this education in Vaisnav relations.

Aspiring Your Service,
bhaktatommy



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Yes, Tommy. On an absolute platform, a devotee sees all souls superior to oneself so there is no question of criticizing any one...nindadi shunya hridayam...This is the symptom of an uttama adhikari or the topmost devotee. Constructive criticism is adoped in special cases by merciful devotees on the madhyama adhkari intermediate platform in order to help other devotees to undeviatedly remain on the right and pure path, not to belittle or insult any souls. But there is such a thin line that sometimes devotees may justify their criticism by quoting the above reason but they are still not fully purified from envy in their hearts for other living entities and Lord Gaura Krishna. In such a case, even if the criticism may be constructive, they will have to accept some reactions of Vaishnava Aparadha. That is why the safest path is not to even hear about the faults of others and totally avoid all criticism and associate with advanced devotees. Those devotees who are in the role of spiritual instructors may have to use construction criticism in very special cases but they should be very very careful and weary about it and keep it free from any tinge of enviousness. In one way, the normal devotees are even more lucky that they have no necessity to bother about even this constructive criticism. I am happy the discussion is churning more and more nectar on this topic. Pranaams. Nityaananda! Gauraanga! Hare Krishna!

Daaso'smi, BR Sadhu Swami Gaurangapada.



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Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krsna!
please accept my simple obeisances,

Certainly it is important to discern the association of different devotees and non-devotees.  However, when it comes to criticizm, the only business a devotee has in criticizm is that of his/her own qualifications to purify those around them?

aspiring service,
bhaktatommy



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