Re: Offender chanting Hare Krishna

Respected Swamiji and all Vaisnavas,

      Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krishna! Please accept my respectful obeisances!

      This thread has come a long way from where it started and devotees have ben pouring nectar after nectar in every post. However the topic seems to have moved away from Chanting Hare Krishna maha mantra with offenses -- so please forgive me, but I would request that the last few posts may be moved to a separate topic by itself to give it due respect. At the moment it seems to be discussing spiritual emotions

        Regarding envy and other things, first of all the ultimate disease of the conditioned soul is the desire to become the Lord -- which manifests as the false ego. This world is a place for those souls who think they're the Lord and it is specifically designed to kick that false ego out and replace it with the realisation of devotional serivce as one's real nature.

        Lust is the desire to enjoy the material world. Frustration of material desires causes anger, eventually leading to loss of intelligence, bewilderment and ultimately greed. When one soul sees another soul better than oneself in any aspect, that ego, "I am the Lord. How dare he try to better me?", comes in and that is the root cause of envy in the material world. Its all a question of where we place our identification. Its complicated really -- but envy of others is due to the material identification. Yes it is a fact that the conditioned souls do envy the Lord because they desire his position. Envy is always there if anyone is superior to us in some way, whoever it is.

        So since the Lord is the ultimate in everything, the biggest amount of envy is usually reserved for him!

         Regarding spiritual emotions, they cannot be compared to the emotions of the material world. While the material world is called a shadow of the spiritual abode, it is a highly perverted, distorted shadow and so analysis of spiritual emotions with only material knowledge of language is imperfect and completely inaccurate. Although descriptions are given in the Nectar of Devotion, it can be understood only by realisation.

          The envy, anger, or competition in the spiritual world cannot be compared to their perverted versions in the material world. Unless there is divine realisation involved, one cannot know what they are. I cannot describe them as I have no realisation and senior devotees have advised me that its not a matter of just knowing or digesting information. They say that trying to mentally speculate on them is not only useless, it is also dangerous to do so.

          Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Prabhupada : "The materialistic demeanor cannot possibly stretch to the transcendental autocrat who is ever inviting the fallen conditioned souls to associate with Him through devotion or eternal serving mood. The phenomenal attractions are often found to tempt sentient beings to enjoy the variegated position which is opposed to undifferenced monism. People are so much apt to indulge in transitory speculations even when they are to educate themselves on a situation beyond their empiric area or experiencing jurisdiction. The esoteric aspect often knocks them to trace out immanence in their outward inspection of transitory and transformable things. This impulse moves them to fix the position of the immanent to an indeterminate impersonal entity, no clue of which could be discerned by moving earth and heaven through their organic senses." (Brahma Samhita Introduction).

A humble attempt to describe my experience,

Srinath

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