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Re: Why are devotees, gurus and pure devotee seen to suffer


Dear Gurudev,

Nityaananda ! Gauraanga ! Hare Krishna !

Dandavat Pranaams.

This may appear a very silly question but dear Gurudev I was wondering how can a neophyte surrender 100% to the Lord. Does he have to wait for a natural progress so that one day he may become a pure devotee and thus be able to surrender 100% or there are ways by which he can also surrender 100% like pure devotees ?

ys,
Mihir.



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Re: Why are devotees, gurus and pure devotee seen to suffer


Dear Devotees,

       Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krishna! From Chaitanya Charitamrta :

CC Antya 4.172: [The Lord to Sanatana Gosvami when his body was affected by skin sores] "You consider your body dangerous and awful, but I think that your body is like nectar.

CC Antya 4.173: "Actually your body is transcendental, never material. You are thinking of it, however, in terms of a material conception.

CC Antya 4.195: "Kṛṣṇa somehow or other manifested these itching sores on the body of Sanātana Gosvāmī and sent him here to test Me.

CC Antya 4.196: "If I had hated Sanātana Gosvāmī and had not embraced him, I would certainly have been chastised for offenses to Kṛṣṇa.

CC Antya 4.197: "Sanātana Gosvāmī is one of the associates of Kṛṣṇa. There could not be any bad odor from his body. On the first day I embraced him, I smelled the aroma of catuḥsama [a mixture of sandalwood pulp, camphor, aguru and musk]."

CC Antya 4.198: In fact, however, when Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu embraced the body of Sanātana Gosvāmī, by the Lord's touch alone there was manifested a fragrance exactly like that of sandalwood pulp.

CC Antya 4.199: Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu continued, "My dear Sanātana, do not be aggrieved, for when I embrace you I actually get great pleasure.

CC Antya 4.200: "Stay with Me at Jagannātha Purī for one year, and after that I shall send you to Vṛndāvana."

CC Antya 4.201: After saying this, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu again embraced Sanātana Gosvāmī. Thus immediately Sanātana's sores disappeared, and his entire body resembled the color of gold.

CC Antya 4.202: Seeing the change, Haridāsa Ṭhākura, greatly astonished, told the Lord, "This is Your pastime.

CC Antya 4.203: "My dear Lord, You made Sanātana Gosvāmī drink the water of Jhārikhaṇḍa, and You actually generated the consequent itching sores on his body.

CC Antya 4.204: "After thus causing these itching sores, You examined Sanātana Gosvāmī. No one can understand Your transcendental pastimes."

CC Antya 4.205: After embracing both Haridāsa Ṭhākura and Sanātana Gosvāmī, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu returned to His residence. Then Haridāsa Ṭhākura and Sanātana Gosvāmī, in great ecstatic love, began to describe the Lord's transcendental attributes.

All quotes from the books copyright BBT international courtesy of http://vedabase.net

Daaso'smi,
Srinath



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Re: Why are devotees, gurus and pure devotee seen to suffer


Dear devotees,

         Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krishna! My pranams! Our Acharyas have given us the answers themselves. Actually the body of a devotee is never to be considered material because the Lord makes it spiritual (or the nitya-siddhas have eternal spiritual bodies). The so called material defects are simply a display of maya or illusory energy.

Upadesamrta 6th sloka

dṛṣṭaiḥ svabhāva-janitair vapuṣaś ca doṣair
na prākṛtatvam iha bhakta janasya paśyet
gańgāmbhasāḿ na khalu budbuda-phena-pańkair
brahma-dravatvam apagacchati nīra-dharmaiḥ


TRANSLATION

Being situated in his original Kṛṣṇa conscious position, a pure devotee does not identify with the body. Such a devotee should not be seen from a materialistic point of view. Indeed, one should overlook a devotee's having a body born in a low family, a body with a bad complexion, a deformed body, or a diseased or infirm body. According to ordinary vision, such imperfections may seem prominent in the body of a pure devotee, but despite such seeming defects, the body of a pure devotee cannot be polluted. It is exactly like the waters of the Ganges, which sometimes during the rainy season are full of bubbles, foam and mud. The Ganges waters do not become polluted. Those who are advanced in spiritual understanding will bathe in the Ganges without considering the condition of the water.

From Purport :

Kṛṣṇa's devotee is not subjected to material condition, even though his bodily features may appear materially conditioned. One should therefore not see a pure devotee from a materialistic point of view. Unless one is actually a devotee, he cannot see another devotee perfectly. As explained in the previous verse, there are three types of devotees � kaniṣṭha-adhikārī, madhyama-adhikārī and uttama-adhikārī. The kaniṣṭha-adhikārī cannot distinguish between a devotee and nondevotee. He is simply concerned with worshiping the Deity in the temple. A madhyama-adhikārī, however, can distinguish between the devotee and nondevotee, as well as between the devotee and the Lord. Thus he treats the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the devotee and the nondevotee in different ways.

No one should criticize the bodily defects of a pure devotee. If there are such defects, they should be overlooked. What should be taken into account is the spiritual master's main business, which is devotional service, pure service to the Supreme Lord. As stated in Bhagavad-gītā (9.30):

api cet sudurācāro bhajate mām ananya-bhāk
sādhur eva sa mantavyaḥ samyag vyavasito hi saḥ

Even if a devotee sometimes seems to engage in abominable activities, he should be considered a sādhu, a saintly person, because his actual identity is that of one engaged in the loving service of the Lord. In other words, he is not to be considered an ordinary human being.

If we consider the bodily defects of a Vaiṣṇava, we should understand that we are committing an offense at the lotus feet of the Vaiṣṇava. An offense at the lotus feet of a Vaiṣṇava is very serious. Indeed, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu has described this offense as hātī-mātā, the mad elephant offense. A mad elephant can create a disaster, especially when it enters into a nicely trimmed garden. One should therefore be very careful not to commit any offense against a Vaiṣṇava. Every devotee should be ready to take instructions from a superior Vaiṣṇava, and a superior Vaiṣṇava must be ready to help an inferior Vaiṣṇava in all respects. One is superior or inferior according to his spiritual development in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. One is forbidden to observe the activities of a pure Vaiṣṇava from a material point of view. For the neophyte especially, considering a pure devotee from a material point of view is very injurious. One should therefore avoid observing a pure devotee externally, but should try to see the internal features and understand how he is engaged in the transcendental loving service of the Lord. In this way one can avoid seeing the pure devotee from a material point of view, and thus one can gradually become a purified devotee himself.

Daaso'smi,
Srinath



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