Re: Atheists are most unfortunate

Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krishna!

Dear Guruji, Jagannatha Gauranga dasa and devotees please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Sri Sri Guru and Gauranga! All glories to Sri Sri Radha Madhava.

When I listen to the above sung I feel indescribable loving feelings towards Lord Sri Krishna and my hairs stand on end when I see the supremely beautiful Lord walking along the banks of the Yamuna River. Maybe the messenger is not pure, but the message delivered is absolutely pure. The song, coming from the lips of Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura, is full of the Names and the intimate Pastimes of the Lord and exists only on the transcendental plane. It can only be relished on the transcendental plane and gives intense joy to the devotees of the Lord. The beauty is in the heart of the relisher. When a king delivers a message to another king through a subordinate messenger who has no clue about the message itself, the message is still conveyed. The devotional words on this forum are still conveyed despite being transmitted by a highly for profit internet system.

But when a non-devotee tries to convey the pure transcendental message of Lord Gauranga Krishna to another non-devotee: that is like a blind man leading blind people. Although the message is absolutely pure it is not relished as such. Therefore it is so important that non-devotees come in contact with the pure devotee of the Lord so their hearts may be awakened responding to the pure the transcendental message.

There is also tremendous benefit for the non-devotee messengers. When they take the holy Names of the Supreme Lord on their lips they are immensely purified. Because the Lord is Absolute it is a natural characteristic of His transcendental Name. When the great sinner Amajila was calling out �Narayana� (with feeling because it was the name of his favorite son) he was delivered. Moreover when a non-devotee chants the holy Names and Pastimes of the Lord for the wrong reasons, but somehow pleases a pure devotee of the Lord by doing so, his blessings are immeasurable. 

I am sure it is because I am so deeply fallen that I get exited when I hear the Lords Name regardless of who the messenger is. I can�t really distinguish who is a devotee and who is not because to me anybody who chants the pure holy Name of Lord Gauranga Krishna is a devotee. I cannot but see a devotee in that person even though he or she is misleading me. I am convinced that over time that person will become a pure devotee of the Lord because he or she has been in contact with the pure holy Name of the Lord. Maybe it will take another million of lives when that person becomes a pure devotee but that is just a measurement of relative time. In reality, in eternal time, that person is a pure devotee of the Lord and who am I to consider him or her anything less than that?

I fall at the feet of all Vaisnavas and ask for your forgiveness and beg you to overlook my simple and primitive understanding of such high topics.

Your aspiring servant,

Hadai Nityananda dasa

Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krishna!

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2. Die höchste Herrlichkeit der Namen Nityananda und Gauranga (26.1)

(26) DIE HERRLICHKEIT DER NITYANANDA- UND GAURANGA-MANTRARAJAS

Srila Visvanatha Chakravarti Thakura im Sri Ksanada-gita-cintamani:

patita durgata yata kali-hata yara,
nitai Chaitanya bali nace gaya tara

�Die gefallenen, fehlgeleiteten und ungl�cklichen, vom Kali-Zeitalter verw�steten Seelen, werden voller Ekstase tanzen, wenn sie die Namen von Nityananda und Gauranga chanten, weil dies der einzige Weg zu ihrer Erl�sung ist.�

(A) Im Sri Navadvipa-dhama-mahatmya von Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, Kap. 6, sagt Nityananda                         Prabhu zu Srila Jiva Goswami:

vraja-tattva navadvipa-tattve dekhe bheda;
krsna aparadhi labhe nirvana abheda.

�Betrachte einmal den Unterschied zwischen Vraja-tattva (Vrindavana) und Navadvipa-tattva. In Vrindavan erlangten die Misset�ter gegen�ber Krischna (wie die D�monen) Einheit mit Gott (sayujya), indem sie mit der Brahman-Ausstrahlung des Herrn verschmelzten.�(Der gleiche Kamsa, welcher im Krischna-Lila  Befreiung erlangte, als er von Krischnas Hand in Mathura get�tet wurde, erlangte die reine Liebe zu Gott von Gauranga im Gauranga-Lila in Navadvipa, ohne sterben zu m�ssen.)

hetha aparadhi paya prema-tattva dhana;
ataeva ei gaura-lila sarvopari dhana.

�Hingegen in Navadvipa erlangen die Misset�ter reine Liebe zu Gauranga. Deshalb sind die Spiele und Namen von Gauranga der gr�sste Schatz in diesem Universum.� (sogar noch barmherziger als das Krischna-Lila)

gaura-dhama, gaura-nama, gaura rupa-guna;
aparadha nahi mane tarite nipuna.

�Gaurangas transzendentaler Name, Seine Form, Seine Spiele und heiligen Orte sind am geeignetsten um alle zu erl�sen, denn sie ber�cksichtigen keine Vergehen.�

yadi aparadha thake sadhakera mane;
krsna-name, krsna-dhame tare bahu dine.

�Wohingegen das regelm�ssige Chanten von Krischnas Namen und der Aufenthalt an Seinem heiligen Ort Vrindavana u.s.w., solange noch Vergehen und unerw�nschte Eigenschaften vorhanden sind, den Chanter nur nach einer sehr langen Zeitspanne erl�sen werden.�

(B) Srila Locana Dasa Thakura stellt fest:

nitai-gaura-nama, anandera dhama,
jei jana nahi laya
tare yamaraya, dhare laya jaya,
narake dubaya taya

�Die transzendentalen Namen von Nityananda und Gauranga sind die h�chsten Orte von unbegrenzter Gl�ckseligkeit. Diejenigen, welche die Namen von Nityananda und Gauranga nicht chanten, werden sicher Opfer von Yamaraja, dem Todesgott. Yamaraja wird sie in die schrecklichsten h�llischen Regionen zerren  und dort gewaltsam ertr�nken.�

(C) Sri Caitanya Caritamrita Adi-Lila 8.22:

adyapiha dekha Caitanya-nama yei laya;
krsna-preme pulakasru-vihvala se haya

Srila Prabhupada �bersetzt: �Ob man Vergehen macht oder nicht, jeder, welcher jetzt 'sri-Krischna-Caitanya prabhu-Nityananda' chantet wird sogleich von Ekstase �berw�ltigt, und Tr�nen kommen in seine Augen.�

Erl�uterung von Srila Prabhupada:

�Die  Prakrta-sahajiyas, welche 'Nitai-Gaura Radhe Syama' chanten, haben sehr wenig Wissen �ber die Schlussfolgerung des Bhagavatam und sie befolgen die Vaishnava-Regeln und Regulierungen kaum, und doch ruft ihr Chanten sofort Tr�nen und andere Symptome von Ekstase hervor, weil sie Nitai-Gaura chanten. Obwohl sie mit den Prinzipien der Vaishnava-Philosophie nicht vertraut sind, und nicht sehr fortgeschritten erzogen sind, ziehen sie durch diese Symptome viele Menschen an, welche ihre Anh�ger werden. Ihre ekstatischen Tr�nen werden ihnen sicher auf lange Sicht hin helfen, den sobald sie mit einem reinen Gottgeweihten in Kontakt kommen, wird ihr Leben erfolgreich sein. Sogar am Anfang, weil sie die heiligen Namen von Nitai-Gaura chanten, ist ihr rasches Fortschreiten auf dem Pfad zur Gottesliebe sehr deutlich sichtbar.�

Kommentar von BR Sadhu Swami Gaurangapada:

Die Namen von Nityananda und Gauranga scheinen die unvorstellbar barmherzigste Sache in der ganzen Sch�pfung zu sein. Tats�chlich sind sie noch barmherziger als Nityananda-Gauranga selbst. Die sogenannten Prakrta-Sahajiyas sind immerzu damit besch�ftigt, die regulierenden Prinzipien zu brechen, mit T�tigkeiten, welche Bhakti entgegen wirken, s�ndhaften T�tigkeiten wie unerlaubte Sexualit�t, Alkohol trinken, Rauchen u.s.w. . Doch Srila Prabhupada zufolge zeigen sie Symptome raschen Fortschritts auf dem Pfad zur reinen Gottesliebe, und zwar nur aus dem einfachen Grund, weil sie die Namen von Nityananda und Gauranga chanten.

Aus dem oben zitierten Vers (und aus den Versen und Erl�uterungen vom CC Adi Kap.8) wird sehr deutlich, dass die Namen von Nityananda und Gauranga �berhaupt keine Vergehen ber�cksichtigen, und deshalb sofortige Wirkung auf den Chanter aus�ben. Srila Prabhupada schreibt in der �bersetzung, dass die Namen von Nityananda und Gauranga beim Verteilen der Liebe zu Gott nicht beachten, ob man Vergehen begeht oder nicht. Was kann man mehr erwarten? Es k�nnte nicht noch einfacher sein! Deshalb hat Srila Lochana das Takura gesagt, dass Nityananda und Gauranga 'saba-avatara-sara-shiromani' sind: das Kronjuwel und die Essenz aller Inkarnationen von Gott.

Dem  Navadvipa-dhama-mahatmya zufolge sucht die reine Liebe zu Krischna (welche nicht erreicht werden kann durch Millionen von Leben von hingebungsvollem Dienst zu Krischna) eine Person auf, welche die Namen von Nityananda und Gauranga chantet.

Selbstverst�ndlich sollte dieser Vers und diese Erl�uterung nicht als einen Freipass verstanden werden, weiterhin zu s�ndigen und dann gleichzeitig Nityananda und Gauranga zu chanten. Vielmehr zeigen sie uns die aussergew�hnliche und h�chste Barmherzigkeit welche in Nityanandas und Gaurangas Namen liegt.

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Astrology is not meant for Devotees

Shrila Prabhupada's Letter. 9th January, 1975, London.
My dear Devamaya devi dasi,

.Regarding astrology, you should not listen to any of these so-called astrologers--strictly avoid. Don't even see them. What is the use of seeing them? Astrology is meant for the
materialist, but a spiritualist does not care for the future. Everything is dependant upon Krishna. So where is the necessity of astrology? The devotees' principle is, let there happen anything as Krishna desires. Let me remain sincere devotee, that's all. Pure devotee is never interested in this astrology...

I hope this meets you in good health.
Your ever well-wisher,
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Svami

Letter to: Sanatana
Honolulu10 June, 1975

No, you should not bother with all this nonsense. Astrology will not save you at the time of death. My Guru Maharaja was a great astrologer and astronomer, but he gave it all up. It is meant for the karmis. We have no interest in such things. I hope this meets you in good health.

Your ever well-wisher,
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami

Krsna Consciousness is Beyond Astrology

Visala dasa wanted to find an astrologer in Vrindavana. Without consulting Srila Prabhupada, he found one who was wearing tilaka and chanting Hare Krsna. Visala wanted to get something he had seen other residents of Vrindavana wearing, a charm you wear around your neck that has on it all the mantras of the demigods.It was supposed to counteract all the bad influence of the planets. The astrologer sold him one of these neckpieces, and it all sounded very nice. He told Visala to dip it into the Yamuna and to have an arati at twelve noon.

Soon after this, Brahmananda Maharaj noticed Visala�s new ornament. �Visala,� said Brahmananda Swami, �what�s that you have around your neck?� When Visala told him, Brahmananda Swami replied, �Prabhupada says we don�t have to add anything to this process.� At these words Visala became disturbed. He thought that Brahmananda Swami was right and he also felt embarrassed. �Why are you wearing this?� Brahmananda Swami demanded. Visala replied that he would like to talk to Prabhupada and he asked if he could have an appointment.

When Visala went to see Prabhupada, Srila Prabhupada asked him how much he had paid the astrologer and what he had said. Visala said the astrologer had claimed the charm would ward off the ill effects of the planets. �Krsna consciousness is beyond astrology,� said Prabhupada. �If you surrender to Krsna, with a slight kick Krsna can annihilate 00,000 Rahu planets.� So Visala put aside his astrological neckpiece and just depended on Prabhupada and K���a.

Soon after, a Godbrother showed Visala a letter he had received from Prabhupada about the same subject matter:
�Astrology will not save you at the time of death. My Guru Maharaja was a great astrologer and astronomer, but he gave it all up. It is meant for the karmis. We have no interest in such things.� Visalini-devi dasi, interview; letter to Sanatana das, June 3, 1975.

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I was told (lowerthanarat) when I joined iskcon in 1973 that subtle arts (black magic, astrology, tarot cards, witchcraft) have no place in krsna consciousness. When you chant the maha mantra it connects to the spiritual world. But the subtle art only live in the subtle plain nowhere near the spiritual world. So you practitioners in krsna consciousness don�t waste your time and money with these things.

If you have full faith in Sri Guru Gauranga. Bhagavad Gita 18.66 Totally abandoning all kinds of religion, surrender exclusively unto Me. I will liberate you from all kinds of sins, so do not despair.

We have to realize what ever happens to us is because of our karma. ( I am born in this country, in a family, with this amount of wealth, and suffering; no one else is to blame only myself. So don�t quarrel with no one.

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SB 11.23.40-42
The brahmana understood that all his suffering�from other living beings, from the higher forces of nature and from his own body�was unavoidable, being allotted to him by providence.

The brahmana said: These people are not the cause of my happiness and distress. Neither are the demigods, my own body, the planets, my past work, or time. Rather, it is the mind alone that causes happiness and distress and perpetuates the rotation of material life.

Inner Fulfilment chapter 2 by
Srila Sridhar Maharaj

Tat te-nukampam susamiksamano bhunjana evatmakrtam vipakam:

�Whatever undesirable I find here is the result of my previous karmma, and by the good will of the Supreme, that previous karma is going to be finished. I will be relieved. I will be made fit for higher service to Him, so this has come.� That is the advice in Srimad-Bhagavatam. Don�t quarrel with the environment. Try to be adjusted with it; correct your own ego. Everything is alright.

SB 10.14.8
Tat te-nukampam susamiksamano
bhunjana evatmakrtam vipakam:

TRANSLATION
My dear Lord, one who earnestly waits for You to bestow Your causeless mercy upon him, all the while patiently suffering the reactions of his past misdeeds and offering You respectful obeisances with his heart, words and body, is surely eligible for liberation, for it has become his rightful claim.

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Four Kinds of Yagya Priests

Srimad Bhagavatam 7/3/30

tvam sapta-tantun vitanoshi tanva
trayya catur-hotraka-vidyaya ca
tvam eka atmatmavatam anadir
ananta-parah kavir antaratma

TRANSLATION
My dear lord, by your form as the Vedas personified and through knowledge relating to the activities of all the yajnic brahmanas, you spread the Vedic ritualistic ceremonies of the seven kinds of sacrifices, headed by agnishtoma. Indeed, you inspire the yajnic brahmanas to perform the rituals mentioned in the three Vedas. Being the Supreme Soul, the Supersoul of all living entities, you are beginningless, endless and omniscient, beyond the limits of time and space.

PURPORT
The Vedic ritualistic ceremonies, the knowledge thereof, and the person who agrees to perform them are inspired by the Supreme Soul. As confirmed in Bhagavad-gita, mattah smritir jnanam apohanam ca: [Bg. 15.15] from the Lord come remembrance, knowledge and forgetfulness. The Supersoul is situated in everyone's heart (sarvasya caham hridi sannivishtah, isvarah sarva-bhutanam hrid-dese 'rjuna tishthati [Bg. 18.61]), and when one is advanced in Vedic knowledge, the Supersoul gives him directions. Acting as Supersoul, the Lord gives inspiration to a suitable person to perform the Vedic ritualistic ceremonies. In this connection, four classes of priests, known as ritvik, are required. They are mentioned as hota, adhvaryu, brahma and udgata.

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Baladeva Vidyabhusana
Sri Vedanta sutra
chapter 3
pada3

Adhhilarana 28

Purport by Srila Baladeva Vidyabhushana

Sutra 57
  The duties are distributed among the different Vedas. The hota priest chants mantras of the Rig Veda, the adhvaryu priest chants mantras of the Yajur Veda, the udgata priest chants mantras of the Sama Veda, and the brahma priest chants mantras of the Atharva Veda.
     In this way, according to the wish of the person performing the yajna, the different priests accept different roles in the yajna and different priestly rewards (dakshina) also. In the same way, according to the wish of the Supreme Lord, the individual living entities accept different roles in their service to the Lord and they also meet the Lord in different ways according to the roles they play.

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Srila Gopala Bhatta Goswami
Sat Kriya Sara Dipika
The Priests

A yajna may involve the following four priests -

Hotri: The priest who invokes and worships the Lord, through the medium of the fire.

Udgatri: The priest who is in charge of chanting the mantras.

Advaryu: The priest who prepares and installs the paraphernalia, and ignites the sacred fire. He sees to the smooth running of the ceremony.

Brahma: The master of ceremonies. He sees that all the mantras are recited properly, corrects any errors that occur during the proceedings and sees to the proper stoking of the fire.

If there are only three priests, there will be the adhvaryu, udgatri and the hotri. If only two, the udgatri and hotri,  and one, the hotri.

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...our forest of vision...

Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krsna!

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Heart, though art low and foolish,
Led astray into a thousand folly.
Chasing here and there,
never listening to I - the one pointed way!

And then you dare to say, 'It be Krsna who has captivated and led us wrong'.
Oh heart, you have abandoned me - claiming that He be 'everywhere'.

'He is the stealer of the Heart - and what be this Sacred Grove?'
Our forest of vision...

by nava.
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