Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krsna
Here is useful link for download some devotional literature like Ramayana or Puranas. You can also find Srilla Prabhupada's books here.
link is http://deepak.esmartguy.com/books.htm
Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna!
i have another question in this regard: I read that our past Acharyas had their Diksha-Gurus and Shiksha-Gurus. Were their Diksha-Gurus mantra giving gurus, not the naam giving gurus?
Thank You very much,
Matus
Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krsna
Here is Srilla Prabhupada's room conversation about this topic! Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krsna
(ROOM CONVERSTATION, CHICAGO, 9TH JULY 1975)
Devotee: Shrila Prabhupada, in Winnipeg there is one very pious east Indian man who for many years has been worshiping somewhat, worshiping Lord Siva. And his wife is also a very quite chaste woman and sincere follower�and so were her parents�of Lord Siva. And he is reading your Bhagavad-gita. He visits our
temple. And I have given him the first volume of Canto Four which discusses Lord Siva a great deal. And he has read in one of your purports that Krishna is more pleased when you worship His devotee than when you worship Him directly. And Lord Siva is a very great devotee of Krishna. So he has now interpreted that
to mean that if he worships Lord Siva so nicely, then actually he is pleasing Krishna more. So he is experiencing some difficulty because of this and I'm not quite sure how to instruct him that actually...
Prabhupada: Difficulty?
Brahmananda: That... Our Godbrother has difficulty in replying to this interpretation that Krishna says, "You can please Me by worshiping My devotee," and Lord Siva is the devotee of Krishna. So therefore this man says, "Then I shall worship Lord Siva. In that way I shall please Krishna."
Prabhupada: But if he accepts Lord Siva is devotee of Krishna, then by worshiping Lord Siva he will be benefited. If he thinks Lord Siva is independent, then he will not be benefited.
Devotee (3): I've got him to accept that Lord Siva is devotee of Krishna, but there's no practical instruction in his worldly activities coming.
Prabhupada: No, vaishnavanam yatha sambhuh: "Amongst the Vaishnavas, Sambhu, Lord Siva, is the greatest Vaishnava." So we worship Lord Siva as Vaishnava. We gives respect to Vaishnavas. So why not Lord Siva? Lord Siva is a big Vaishnava. But generally, the devotees of Lord Siva, they take Lord Siva is independent God. That is offensive. If you know that Lord Siva is also a devotee, you can give more respect to Lord Siva. Krishna will be pleased. Devotee (3): Shrila Prabhupada, he does not chant Hare Krishna, he chants Om Namah Shivaya
Prabhupada: That's all right.
Devotee (3): It's all right?
Prabhupada: He will gradually become devotee. When God, Lord Siva, will be pleased upon him, he will advise to worship.
Devotee (3): He is already trying to tell him to follow in your footsteps surely, so just before I left he said he will try once again to chant sixteen rounds of japa, Hare Krishna. He has tried already. He has a taste for...
Prabhupada: If he simply understands that Lord Siva is a Vaishnava and if he worships Lord Siva, then he will get the benefit.
dandavats Maharaj's and vaisnavas
We know from history the Irish potato famine between 1846 and 1849. The famine was at least fifty years in the making; many people died 750,000 deaths are attributed to starvation. And people were forced to leave their homes due to starvation. Since then many lessons were learnt.
The main one was don�t rely on one crop you have to diversify. Also don�t rely on one main stable food source.
There are many stable food sources these days such pasta, millet, buck wheat, and corn gits just to name a few. My self do not eat rice as I found I did not need so much carbohydrates. I am very happy eating vegetable, and not so much protein when offered to Sri Guru Gauranga. The other day I watched a video on Ghana (Africa) Where the local farmer were struggling to grow rice, the Americans were importing their cheaper, than the locals can grow it.
Just like in the UK in the 80s the coalmine were forced to close because country like India and other third world countries sold the coal cheaper the they could mine it in the UK. So almost all the mines closed in the UK. UK became dependent on cheap coal at the mercy of cheap importers.
What happens next the price goes up and up. Now we can see the same thing happening with the so-called cheap rice and other foods. In India and other country�s people should go back and work on the land. Simple living high thinking.
Plant the seeds chant the holy names, and wait for the harvest to come in. Buy artificial fertilizer and grown two or three crops a year.
As Srila Prabhupada said there is no shortage of food, even the ants, and elephants and not hungry.
lowerthanarat
Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna! Jaya Shri Guru Parampara! Pranams! 
I quickly browse for the new technology news in the world for a few minutes daily since advances in technology sometimes do simplify our service to the Lord, especially preaching. I thought I can make use of that time also in the service of the devotees. Thus, I have setup a simple system in which while glancing through these new technology articles, if I do come across some articles which may be useful to the devotees in the service of the Lord, I will just bookmark them and they will instantly appear on this new linkTechnology page. Though I will try to add only the most relevant articles, these articles may or may not be useful to you and it is up to you to read them or not as they are strictly not directly devotional topics about the Lord. I hope it is of some use to some devotees.
Daaso'smi, Swami Gaurangapada.
Nityananda, Gauranga, Hare Krishna!
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"Even the most learned man cannot understand the words, activities and symptoms of a person situated in love of Godhead."C.C.Madhya 23.39
unquote
Well, I'm no "pure" devotee, but there's the other expression: "It takes one to know one" which might give you an answer...
When one tries to understand what is written in the scriptures with the necessary modern "Cartesian logic and reason", one very often stumbles over paradoxes and contradictions and can not grasp what is so apparent. For example, the mind can not really understand what is 'love'. It has already been explained in terms of chemistry, but is that it? Are we merely a giant sum of pure biochemical processes? Or is there something more? This is the question we need to ask ourselves.
Anyway, I've learned that one needs to put both the ego and the mind aside to discover the love of Godhead. And this humbling journey on our way to Godhead is a marathon and not a sprint...
Your servant,
Damodara Svarupa dasa
Don't venture, as kanistha adhikari. You'll be turned into an atheist.
Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krsna
Does it means that kanistha-adikari must render sadhana and preach only on stage of madhyama-adhikari?How to properly understand "you'll be turned into an atheist"?
Another question arose:
How can sadhaka know is he or she kanistha or madhyama adikari? What are symptoms and qualifications?
Forgive me on my endless stupid questions and mental speculations.
Mercy case, Igor
Nityaananda! Gauraanga! Hare Krishna! The below article proves that meat eating not only kills innocent cows etc. but it also may end up killing millions of human beings due to causing a shortage of grains etc. which are in turn is fed to the cows to make them fat before killing them for meat. So is it not a simple decision for a kind hearted person who does not want to harm anyone, to give up eating meat and animal products before one can even think about other forms of compassion and mercy to others.
Daaso'smi, Swami Gaurangapada.
The Food-Price Crisis
By Steve Sampson of Knowledgenews.net.
Sat, Apr 26, 2008.
New sprouts needed now!
Friends, the world is facing a "silent tsunami" driven by skyrocketing global food prices--a crisis that could wreak as much havoc as the Asian Tsunami of 2004, and maybe much more. So says the executive director of the U.N.'s World Food Program (WFP).
She doesn't just mean that folks are feeling the pinch of inflation at the grocery store checkout counter. From South America to Africa to Asia, a wave of steep food price increases is threatening to undo decades of anti-poverty efforts and plunge millions of people into hunger and malnutrition. Why is this happening?
Analysts say higher oil prices and freakish weather are partly to blame for the price hikes. But the problem also involves simple supply and demand. More people, more animals, and more automobiles are consuming more grain than ever, and supplies are running short. Today, let's survey the global food-price crisis by the numbers.
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Price-Crisis Counts
83 percent � The increase in overall global food prices in the last three years, according to the World Bank. Global wheat prices have increased 181 percent in that period. The prices of rice and corn are way up, too. Such staples provide the basis for most folks' daily bread.
100 million � Number of people worldwide who could soon be plunged into hunger, according to the WFP. Right now, the WFP has approved projects to feed 73 million people in 2008, and there aren't any resources for adding 100 million more. In fact, the WFP says it already needs $755 million in additional funding just to cover the increased cost of food and fuel since June 2007.
Grain Drain Tallies
110 � Amount of meat each person in China now eats per year, in pounds (50 kg). Generally, economic development leads to more meat eating, and more meat eating means more grain goes to feed animals. That can drive up prices of the staple foods poor people rely on. China's per capita meat consumption is still lower than that of some developed countries, but China's number has more than doubled in the last 20 years, and China has more than 1 billion people.
27 � Percentage of the U.S. corn crop that was diverted for ethanol production last year. Other major grain producers are also investing heavily in biofuels. Again, the effect is a big increase in the economic demand for (and so price of) grain. Like the grain that goes to feed animals, corn that goes to feed cars can't go to feed people. And, unlike grain-fed animals, cars don't feed people either.
24 � Number of people killed last month in Cameroon in riots triggered by food and fuel prices. Meanwhile, protesters chanting "we're hungry" have forced Haiti's prime minister to resign, and food protests have cropped up from Italy to Indonesia. As governments struggle to find short-term solutions, experts say cultivating a long-term food-supply fix could take 10 years.
Sermons of the Guardian of Devotion
Volume Two
Compiled from eclectic discourses by
His Divine Grace
Srila Bhakti Raksaka Sridhara Deva Goswami Maharaja
Collected and Edited on the Divine Instructions of
His Holiness Swami B.S. Govinda
President Acarya of the
SRI CHAITANYA SARASWAT MATH
Devotee: You were talking about kirtana; I have read that Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura says that japa (private chanting) is also related to kirtana (congregational chanting, or preaching), and also that Srila Rupa Go�swami says there are three types of japa, namely manasika or mental, vacika or vocal, and upamsu or whispered. Which is proper for us, and which is the most effective?
Srila Guru Maharaj: In upamsu there is no sound, only movement of the lips; and in manasika there is no lip movement. You ask which is superior of the three types?
Devotee: Yes.
Srila Guru Maharaj: Whatever is internally real will be superior. Japa must be genuine, not imitative. Our attention should always be towards the negative side. If we can practice that in a real way, our promotion cannot be checked. But without qualification, if we are very eager to go upward, there will be a tendency to fall down. Dasyaya te mama raso 'stu raso 'stu satyam: "May I have the aspiration for servitude." For bhajana or internal Service, such a temperament should always be followed. Tad dasa-dasa-dasanam dasatvam dehi me prabho.
Promotion is inevitable if we always try to adhere to the lower duty. Eagerness for promotion is the enemy. That is for pratistha (renown), and that will undermine everything. Srila Prabhupada said that imitation arises from the attraction for pratistha or desire to hold the superior position and acquire a name for oneself. That is the great enemy. Don't fall prey to that pratistha, eagerness to hold the higher position. Rather, dainyam - humility, is the healthy sign of a devotee.
Devotee: Maharaj, we see in the Hari-bhakti-vilasa that sometimes the glories of silent chanting are mentioned, and then in other places we see that the glories of chanting very loudly, as in the case of Haridasa Thakura, are extolled. So, what is the adjustment?
Srila Guru Maharaj: Only a theoretical understanding won't help you much. Try to catch the spirit of the thing. When backed by the sadhu, the Guru of very high type, you can do anything. By the grace of his support, whatever kirtana, etc., you may do, will be effective. Meditating may have been praised as more efficient in a particular context, but if you venture to superficially try and chant in that way, the opposition will be so great you'll be nowhere - you will turn to be an atheist. It can happen if you don't have sufficient support to fight against the odds. Don't venture to attack the enemy when your position is weak. But when backed by the great generals and many munitions, you must march on. That will help us to engage in real kirtana.
The real factor is sadhu-sanga. It has association with the higher power. Otherwise, nothing has any value. The stand must be taken on the real plane - sadhu and sastra. We must cultivate the real thing. That is the all-important factor always to keep up the reality of the bhajana. For the weaker devotee, the sadhaka or aspirant, the greatest necessity is sadhu-sanga, and the Scriptures are necessary for knowledge. Sadhu-sastra-krpa. Then kirtana will be best.
Vrndavana Dasa Thakura says that one feeds himself, another feeds thousands and feeds himself. Who's the greater? Kirtana is to cultivate oneself and help many others to cultivate at the same time. But when you have no capital of your own, if you go to preach you will meet such opposition, asat sanga, that the ankura, the bud, will be nipped. In that case, if you are kanistha-�adhikari, neophyte, don't go to attack others without vigorous backing. Kirtana means to preach, or to attack others in a sense. Don't venture, as kanistha adhikari. You'll be turned into an atheist. Only after passing through the proper stages - sravana dasa, varana dasa, sadhana dasa and prapana dasa (the phases of hearing, acceptance, practice, and attainment) - then you can preach independently (apana dasa). Otherwise, only with the help of someone in prapana dasa can you go to preach.
We should have an immovable connection with reality, an absolute conception of reality. Such a stable position is necessary. Invulnerable. A sure position, what is what - sambandha jnana. Then we shall be able to understand and harmonize the differences that we find in the writ�ings of the Acaryas; what applies where - under what circumstances a particular line has been advised to be taken up, and under what circumstances another has
been advised. Practical knowledge.
Nityaananda! Gauraanga! Hare Krishna! Mihir, the link about Mental Chanting is here. Sorry for the delay. You can always click on the Veda tab in the left frame and search in the NITAAI Veda titles or a full NITAAI Veda search via the search box in the open book button NITAAI Veda menu in the top menu bar. You should be able to find anything via these three searches: Forums Search, NITAAI Veda title search and NITAAI Veda full search.
Daaso'smi, Swami Gaurangapada.
Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna! Jaya Shri Guru Parampara! Pranams! We are facing a problem with the new registration on our Forums. It seems that when a new member registers, he or she is not able to login with the password entered at the time of registration. As a temporary solution for now, the new registered members will have to Reset their Password using this link. Then they will be able to login with this new password. Already existing members are not affected. There was another problem with the reset password link but it has been fixed and it is working absolutely fine now. So please use it if you cannot login. I have added the Reset Password link on the Forums home page.
Daaso'smi, Swami Gaurangapada.
Nityaananda! Gauraanga! Hare Krishna! Thank you so much for all the thanks. I have added a paragraph about bodily Yoga and have finalized the above article. I hope to write more such basic and straightforward articles for NITAAI.com.
The good news is that the new NITAAI.com home page is live now. Let us hope we can maintain a steady pace to gradually complete the basic articles on NITAAI.com. Each basic article will be narrated by me with video and the video will be added to the top of the left frame so that one can read the page as well view the video simultaneously.
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I have also modified the first few items in the top menu bar and added the new portal page links etc. for quick access. The home button now points to the NITAAI.com portal home page and the Forums button points to the forums home page.
Daaso'smi, Swami Gaurangapada.
Swami Gaurangapada wrote: I have replied to this question earlier Igor. You can read the article here.
The link is missing here. I request someone to provide the link.
Thanking in advance.
Sincerely,
Mihir.
Dear Friend(s),
Nityaananda! Gauraanga! Hare Krishna! We congratulate you for visiting NITAAI.com, the official website of NITAAI Yoga. We hope you gain deeper spiritual insights in your quest via our website. We are very happy to receive your valued association and to serve you in this quest.
Yoga means spiritual union. The harmonious union of the soul and God in desire is known as NITAAI Yoga. This union with God awakens the dormant love of the soul for God. Thus, NITAAI Yoga is also the pure love of the soul. The soul is a spiritual spark. We are all souls residing in our bodies. NITAAI Yoga is our soul�s scientific nature. It is not a religion. It is the essential characteristic of the soul. It is not something new or external to the soul. It is the original energy of the soul. NITAAI Yoga is the revival of our soul�s inherent divine qualities. Thus, everyone can practice NITAAI Yoga irrepective of all external designations.
NITAAI is the most benevolent Holy Name of God. It is the short form of �Nityaananda� (Eternal Bliss) and �Nityaananda Gauraanga Hare Krishna Naama Bhakti�. NITAAI is the Holy Name of the divine elder brother of God. NITAAI means the giver of unlimited bliss and power.
In Kali Yuga, the only sureshot and easy path to attain God is through NITAAI. NITAAI can bestow upon the soul any one of the five divine relationships with God. Thus, connecting with NITAAI is essential for any kind of substantial spiritual experience. This connection is called NITAAI Yoga. Therefore, NITAAI Yoga is the beginning and end of all spiritual realization.
All other Forms of God will give us mercy and happiness and freedom from reactions only when we pray for it. But NITAAI is different. He gives without asking. He is genuinely concerned for us. He cries for us. We need to simply accept His mercy. Everyone can do that. He does not expect anything in return. Thus, NITAAI Yoga is for everyone. It will prove greatly beneficial to even those who are not interested in the soul and God.
NITAAI descended to this world in 1473 in the Holy Village of Ekachakraa Dhaama in West Bengal, India. From that day onwards, the whole Birbhum district becoming prosperous. The whole planet and the entire universe were purified by His Lotus Feet and Holy Presence. In the form of NITAAI, the world witnessed the greatest descent of mercy and bliss ever in the past, present and future. Even now, those who call out NITAAI or go to Ekachakraa become instantly merged in an ocean of bliss. This is the proof in the efficacy of NITAAI. Please try it and you will never be disappointed. You will be simply amazed and astonished at the simplicity, depth and the blissful experience of NITAAI Yoga.
NITAAI is the Supreme Lord and the origin of all creation. His divine brother is GAURA KRISHNA, the Supreme Absolute Personality of Godhead and the cause of all causes. GAURA descended to this world in 1486 in the Holy Town of Navadvipa Dhaama in West Bengal, India. GAURA = RADHA + KRISHNA. Both NITAAI and GAURA are described in the history books of India but They do not belong to one country or sect. They are the divine Fathers of every soul in creation.
NITAAI GAURA = BALARAAMA KRISHNA. There is nothing higher than These two Divine Brothers. They are the summum bonum of everything in creation. They are condensed love personified. They have come for the sole purpose to distribute Their own love. There cannot be any greater benefactors than Them because They magnimously distribute the supreme crest-jewel of all love which was never given before. They fulfill all our desires. They are the only hope for this degraded age. They are real hope against all hopelessness. NITAAI is the only means to attain GAURA. And NITAAI Yoga is the process of Nityaananda Gauraanga Hare Krishna Naama Bhakti Yoga.
The greatest misfortune of the people in Kali Yuga is that the general mass of the people don�t even an inkling that their Lords have personally advented only around 500 years ago on this planet to freely distribute love to one and all. NITAAI Yoga imparts us the knowledge of this confidential truth. It means to come into light and end our ignorance. According to Shrimad Bhaagavatam, one who knows this truth is considered the most intelligent person in Kali Yuga. Therefore, NITAAI Yoga is certainly a very rare secret. Though it is meant for everyone, it still remains very concealed. But now the time has come, to break this seal and distribute this knowledge and nectar of NITAAI Yoga to one and all.
The problems of this world will not decrease until the people try to understand NITAAI and NITAAI Yoga. We become guilty if we don�t imbibe and distribute (neglect) such a great treasure which we have received so freely from NITAAI and GAURA. To become free from this guilt and truly benefit others, we need to practice NITAAI Yoga.
NITAAI Yoga is free but still very sublime. It is the blissful process of connecting with God by Mantra Meditation i.e. by the spiritually powerful sound vibration of the Nityaananda (NITAAI) Mantraraaja, Gauraanga (GAURA) Mantraraaja, and the Hare Krishna (HARINAAMA) Mahaamantra: Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare, Hare Raama Hare Raama Raama Raama Hare Hare.
Thus, NITAAI Yoga is as simple as simply vibrating or hearing or singing or breathing or meditating on these three Kings of All Mantras. Therefore, NITAAI Yoga can be performed anywhere and everywhere while doing anything and everything. There are no rules and regulations. There is no loss, only unlimited gain for us.
Yours in the practice of NITAAI Yoga,
Bhakiratna Sadhu Swami Gaurangapada.
Founder Guru of the NITAAI Yoga Society.
Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna! Jaya Shri Guru Parampara! Pranams! I have almost completed the structure of the above menu. I have added many more relevant sub-levels including Nityaananda Gauraanga Mantraraajas etc. Also added are the arrows to show the sub-levels which have sub-sub levels. Are there any other suggestions? You can always post in this forum topic at a later date whenever you get an idea of some new topic which should be included in this menu.
Daaso'smi, Swami Gaurangapada.
Do not the results speak for themselves?
Yes Hadai, these are miraculous results (removal of throat cancer) of Nityaananda and Gauraanga Naama due to your faith in Them. They can solve all our problems if we apply Them with faith. Thank you for sharing.
Daaso'smi, Swami Gaurangapada.
In the doctoring of Christianity we are told from a very early age about the devil, evil, and fallen angels etc. Let try and digest that in a simple way. In the old books of India Brahma Samhita which is known as the oldest book we find this verse.
�Krsna who is known as Govinda is the Supreme Godhead. He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes.�
Ok some will say we don�t believe in Krsna. Yes quite rightly so as many Christians are warned about so called false Gods. But what is a name. Here the Sun is called Araw, in India its called Surya, and most English speaking country�s it called the Sun. Similarly the name of God may be different in other countries or languages.
Anyhow lets get back to the Brahma Samhita verse Supreme Godhead. He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes.� God is the origin of all that be; He has no other origin, and He is the prime cause of all causes.
So if that is the case what ever is created is coming from God even the devil, fallen angels etc. (good or bad). In the Indian scriptures such as the Bhagavad Gita the illusionary energy (Maya) is the so called dark force, but we know the light always over comes the dark.
Why do we have these dark forces?
Its because we wanted to enjoy separately from God, and some dark forces are stronger then other, but they are always defeated by God Himself.
The body is only a vehicle for the soul. People who identify with the body think there are belong to a race, but the spirit soul has nothing to do with this.
lowerthanarat
The Lord is so merciful to me for allowing this sinner to chant his name. This sinner is gradually being lured into his domain. It is blissful and ecstatic in the company of god, chanting his name and remembering him. Most of the times, this sinner remain thoughtless and madly murmuring his name. The hands of clock swings back to material world very frequently like a monkey jumping from one branch to another. swamiji, kindly englighten me and show the path to the lotus feet of god.
Glories to the Lord, Hare Krishna
ganesanmurthy
Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krsna
Thank you so much dear Nava, for sharing this verse from Bhagavad Gita. This discussion is 108% according to highest siddhantha � acintyabheda-abheda doctrine of Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu! At the same time �Actually any living entity, being part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa, is Kṛṣna.�; and yet, at the same time, He is Supreme Controlor and Person. This is confirmed in Isopanishad:
om purnam adah purnam idam
purnat purnam udachyate
purnasya purnam adaya
purnam evavashishyate
The Personality of Godhead is perfect and complete. And because He is completely perfect, all emanations from Him, such as this phenomenal world, are perfectly equipped as a complete whole. Whatever is produced of the complete whole is also complete by itself. And because He is the Complete Whole, even though so many complete units emanate from Him, He remains the complete balance.
Nava wrote:
The point I was trying to bring out is, for souls like me who have not yet tasted this pure love in separation, we need to find ��balance�� and peace in our spiritual life.
Yes, I completely agree. As we can see � we can discuss about same topic from different levels of realizations or understanding. Where we are, what is highest sidhantha etc. I just gave some references in my previous post according to what I heard from Guru and sastra. Off course, we all are aspirants or babies in this path, but sometimes we shoul remember and talk about highest goals.
Few more things. Please correct me if I am wrong. From absolute point of view there is always gradation. When Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabu asked Srilla Ramananda Raya numerous questions, he gave perfect aswers, yet Lord Gauranga always wanted to go further, deeper. This gradation is not material, it is spiritual, completely different from our experience. There are Krsna�s friends, sakhas, but there are also his most confidentional friends priya-narma-sakhas. There are manjaris, young girls, and there are astha-sakhis, eight principal gopis. But this gradatation is perfect and absolute. And, just as you said �In vaikuntha according to Sri Brhad Bhagavatamrta each devotee is feeling complete happiness in his relation with the Lord.�
Nava wrote:
My inability to do that kind of pure preaching is surely my shortcoming.
Dear Nava, there is no shortcomings in our attempt to discuss and talk about Krsna. Sometimes we may present different arguments, from different scriptures or levels, but goal is that we are advancing by speaking, hearing, meditating about Krsna. I am fool, but still have small hope in this process of mercy, in association of devotees like you and members of this sanga, in Gurudeva, scriptures and Naam. Sometimes I am quoting from scriptures, or repeating what I have heard from Guru, sadhu or sastras, because this is our hope in spiritual life. This is confirmed in Srimad Bhagavatam (1.2.17):
srnvatam sva-kathah krsnah
punya-sravana-kirtanah
hrdy antah-stho hy abhadrani
vidhunoti suhrt satam
"Sri Krsna, the Personality of Godhead, who is the Paramatma [Supersoul] in everyone's heart and the benefactor of the truthful devotee, cleanses desire for material enjoyment from the heart of the devotee who relishes His messages, which are in themselves virtuous when properly heard and chanted."
Therefore let us continue to discuss and talk about this science of bhakti! Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krsna
Fool�smi Igor
Dandbats Maharajs and vaisnavas
I may be right that we cannot know truth without pure love of Si Gauranga Gauranga, but dear friend does that mean their is no pure devotee on the planet who can answer my question of Jaiva Dharma ch 24.?
yanra citte krishna-prema karaye udaya
tanra vakya, kriya, mudra vijneha na bujhaya
"Even the most learned man cannot understand the words, activities and symptoms of a person situated in love of Godhead."C.C.Madhya 23.39
with repeated danabats to all
lowerthan arat
Naama Shiksha and Naama Diksha
Answer by Swami Gaurangapada
Transcribed by Sarvabhauma dasa
Nityaananda! Gauraanga! Hare Krishna! Jaya Shri Guru Parampara! Pranams to everyone. Thank you, Matus for your nice question. Actually Nama shiksha has been the way of transmission of Nama in our Parampara right from the beginning. Harinama,Gaura Nama, Nitai Nama. Nama is totally independent of any other process � diksha puruscariya viddhi apekshana kare. Nama is not expecting any kind of process in its power to purify the individual who is chanting the Name. So, apekshana kare � the Nama will act whether it is received by shiksha or diksha. The Naama is always most powerful. It is non different from Naami, the Lord. The integral nature of the Name is not going to change whether it is received by diksha or shiksha. So, if you see in our Gaudiya Parampara Lord Gaurahari Himself, it is not mentioned that He received the Nama from Ishvara Puri, but it is mentioned He received diksha in a mantra which is the ten-syllable Gopala Mantra, which drowned Him in an ocean of ecstasy. But He received the instruction from His Guru that: naco gao bhakta sane koro sankirtana krishna nama upadeshi tara sarva jana: �You dance and sing the Names and give the Names to everyone and deliver everyone.� That is what the Lord�s guru instructed Him. But in Harinama Chintamani also by Bhaktivinode Thakur who is the nama rasika acariya who is fully aware of the debth of the Nama Tattva, because he could see the conversation between Haridas Thakur and Lord Gaura in his heart regarding Nama Tattva. So Bhaktivinod Thakur got a full grasp, he is nama-tattva-vit and he coposed HNC in which he describes that though Naam is traditionally not given as diksha still nam can formally be given also as diksha, the formal initiation. We even see in Gaudiya Math during the time of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura Prabhupada the first diksha was known as Ashraya diksha and the second initiation was actually known as diksha, actually not the Naam but it was the Gayatri mantras. That is why it was known as diksha. One could also consider that according to Harinama Cintamani the first process of nama ashraya, hearing the name from the lips of Gurudev and beginning to chant, that process of nama shiksha can also be formalised in the form of nama diksha. That is confirmed by Bhaktivinode Thakur in Harinama Cintamani that there can be one Naama diksha guru and there can be many Naama shiksha gurus. And the Naama diksha guru can himself be the Naama shiksha guru also by imparting more and more detailed teachings of the nama-tattva, the chanting of the names, to the disciple. So, our AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada, he formalized the process of nama shiksha into hari nama diksha. It is his unique contribution to this world. He was the first acariya to implement the teachings of Harinama Cintamani which talks about nama diksha even the nama can be received through formal initiation. In that way both the processes are bonafide as we can learn because Gaurahari and all acariyas they used to chant and sing the Naama, they received mantra shiksha an mantra diksha from their gurus. And those mantras were different from the normal Harinam, Gauranam and Nitai Naam Those mantras were starting with the bija mantras, the Gayatri mantras, the klim mantras. And on the other hand the process of Nama diksha receiveing the Nama directly from the lips of guru in a formal way - that is also approved by HNC. Though Nama is so powerful it does not necessarily have to be received in a formal way. It can be received by shiskha. Somebody can view a video of one�s Guru chanting the Naam and one can be inspired by the divine sound vibration emanating from the lips of Guru and one can begin chanting. That itself � the connections is there, because one has taken ashraya of the Guru who is chanting the Naam, who is giving the Naam. So, Naama shiksha and Naama diksha both are bonafide processes in Kali Yuga. This has been quite a controversial subject matter in our Gaudiya Vaishnava Sampradaya, but my understanding and our understanding is that both processes are bonafide and both are transcendental because both have been practiced and implemented by our Acariyas. So, the most important thing is to receive the Naam, either by shiksha or by diksha from a personality who realizes himself or herself the potency of Naam, the depth of Naam, the spiritual power of Naam. Then our chanting will automatrically fructify very quicjkly. And then one can always take Naama shiksha further from many other advanced devotes who are chanting Naam, nama�tattva-vit. One can always take further guidance, but even the primary naama shiksha guru is normally one and the naama diksha guru is also one. One cannot have many naama diksha gurus for one particular naam. There can be only one naama diksha guru and there can be one primary naama shiksha guru. Whether you receive naama formally from the lips of Gurudev as nama shiksha the naam is going to have effect if you take ashraya of guru and the naam. Of course for getting brahminical qualification like worshipping the Deity and other activities one requires to receive the mantra diksha also. That is more formal kind of a process - Pancaratriki viddhi. The Mantra Diksha is also described in our scriptures � it reinforces our naama bahjan, it does not substitute our naam bhajan, because Naam is the main thing in Kali Yuga. So, one may take mantra diksha or one may not take mantra dishka, but it doesn�t mean that one is not qualified to chant the naam. Everyone is qualified. Acandale. Krishnadas Kaviraja Goswami says that even a lowest person if one vibrates the tongue and chants the Naam one will become purified. The naam will not wait, the Naam wil not think that �O, this individual has not taken diksha!�. The naam is all-powerful. But the process for receiving it from a realized soul � that is very powerful! It opens to us the whole treasure of Naam, either by shiksha or by diksha. I hope I am able to reply to some of your questions in this message. Please let me know if you need further clarifications.
Nityaananda! Gauraanga! Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Raama Hare Raama Raama Raama Hare Hare
Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krishna!
Dear Swamiji and devotees please accept my humble obeisances.
Brahmavadis see a blend of brahman, paramatma, and bhagavan in everything. Mayavadis see brahman in everything. Paranoids see an intimidation in everything. Devotees see the Lord dancing in everything. They all have in common: they see something in everything. When our primary understanding is strongly influenced it super-imposes all that we perceive. However the Absolute Truth is no projection. It is the core of everything. In our conditioned state we can�t see that core. So how do we know about it? From authority. When the Absolute Truth descends down from the Lord via His pure devotee to His aspiring devotee something very extra-ordinary happens: He plants a very special seed in the heart of the devotee. That seed fructifies by devotional service and by no means through theoretical application. So there is a subtle but very significant difference between the so-called super-imposition of the devotee and that of the non-devotee. The devotee is anointed to see a spiritual reality not overlaying his perspective but manifested via the core of his being. He doesn�t need any theory in order to self-manipulate himself into a spiritual vision, he has a spiritual vision.
When we watch Nava�s latest beautiful video we clearly see that he got a genuine glimpse of spiritual vision that overrules any theoretical or speculative approach. He is in awe because of his anointed vision that was given to him by the most merciful Lord. Swamiji extends this unlimited mercy and empowers and encourages Nava to speak from the heart. The result is a unique experienced understanding that stands out from the regular copy/paste understanding. When Nava says that �in a higher sense there is no need to feel sad or poor about our station� he fully speaks from the heart and his understanding is anointed with divine vision. I personally think that before we react to such a statement we should see where it comes from. When a devotee genuinely tells me �I am very happy� do I point out: �sorry but you are not happy� and then I try to convince him of this? What will the result be other then that we come into a myriad of arguments that is mostly a mix of different layers of understanding? By the way nothing personal�just for the benefit of all. I would like to illustrate this a bit further with the following�
I have hold this back for a few months since I wanted to know the permanent character of something very special I have experienced myself. It is fully beyond rational understanding, no science can compete with this and only the Lord is to be credited for this miracle. Here it is: A friend of my wife had throat-cancer. She came to visit us and you could see a big lump on the side of her throat and she was very worried. She was scheduled to get it surgically removed the next day and she also would undergo tests if anything had been spread out to other parts of her body. Erica is 36 years old and was of course very nervous about it. I don�t know why but it was almost as if I witnessed myself when I asked her if it was ok to lay my hands on her throat. She was fine with it. I stood behind her and laid my hands tenderly on her throat and lump and started silently chanting �Nityananda Gauranga�. After about 5 minutes I felt my hands vibrating �Nityananda Gauranga� and I saw her taking a deep breath and she became very relaxed. The whole thing lasted maybe 10 minutes and I told her afterwards that the vibration of two extremely holy Names had descended in her throat. Naturally she wanted to know the holy Names so I told her �Nityananda� and �Gauranga� and by the time she left she was singing �Nityananda Gauranga Nityananda Gauranga Nityananda Gauranga�. The next morning she called: �The lump is gone!� She went to the hospital as scheduled and pictures were taken and other tests were done and there was no trace of the cancer anymore. We are now a few months later and yesterday she got the results in from tests taken a week ago�and it is officially declared that she is cancer free.
Scientists and doctors are totally in the blank when it comes to explaining what happened with Erica. Their theory says that something like this cannot happen overnight. Even though they have seen it with their own eyes, they still don�t believe it. From my point of view it happened all so spontaneously. I just had to lay my hands on her throat that night and chanted �Nityananda Gauranga�. I could feel that the Lord�s vibration entered into my hands and transferred into her throat. I saw her becoming calm at that very moment and that was all on my side. And of course the happiness that I got her to chant the holy names of the Lord. This whole experience confirms Nava�s experience. When we are somehow or other able to see our Lordships in others that very vision is not only making us happy but it has a profound effect on others too. Coming back to the beginning: is it from the outside-in super-imposed perception or is it from the inside-out core perception? To me it is core perception because how could I otherwise witness such an incredible miracle? However in this stage of understanding does it even matter what perception it is? Do not the results speak for themselves?
Your servant,
Hadai Nityananda dasa
Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krishna!
Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krsna
Thank you Nava for wonderful answer. I agree with you in most points. Let us discuss more about bhakti. Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krsna
So if we can awaken to a vision that all is complete and perfect we will never see lack in others Quote by Nava
As far as I understand devotees see duality - this world is not perfect and complete, what is missing is bhakti, devotional service. Impersonalists say that all is one, all is perfect, good etc. This world is incomplete and imperfect. We are also. We forgot Krsna. This whole creation is in lack of Krsna. We can not sit in jail and try to see cells and other prisoners to be perfect. Everybody here is in lack of Krsna. Quote by Igor
TEXT 17 Bhagavad Gita As It Is
pitāham asya jagato
mātā dhātā pitāmahaḥ
vedyaṁ pavitram oṁkāra
ṛk sāma yajur eva ca
pitā�father; aham�I; asya�of this; jagataḥ�of the universe; mātā�mother; dhātā�supporter; pitāmahaḥ�grandfather; vedyam�what is to be known; pavitram�that which purifies; omkāraḥ�the syllable om; ṛk�the Ṛg-veda; sāma�the Sāma-veda; yajuḥ�the Yajur-veda; eva�certainly; ca�and.
TRANSLATION
I am the father of this universe, the mother, the support, and the grandsire. I am the object of knowledge, the purifier and the syllable om. I am also the Ṛk, the Sāma, and the Yajur [Vedas].
PURPORT
The entire cosmic manifestations, moving and nonmoving, are manifested by different activities of Kṛṣṇa�s energy. In the material existence we create different relationships with different living entities who are nothing but Kṛṣṇa�s marginal energy, but under the creation of prakṛti some of them appear as our father, mother, grandfather, creator, etc., but actually they are parts and parcels of Kṛṣṇa. As such, these living entities who appear to be our father, mother, etc., are nothing but Kṛṣṇa. In this verse the word dhātā means creator. Not only are our father and mother parts and parcels of Kṛṣṇa, but their creator, grandmother, and grandfather, etc., are also Kṛṣṇa. Actually any living entity, being part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa, is Kṛṣṇa. All the Vedas, therefore, aim only toward Kṛṣṇa. Whatever we want to know through the Vedas is but a progressive step to understand Kṛṣṇa. That subject matter which helps us purify our constitutional position is especially Kṛṣṇa. Similarly, the living entity who is inquisitive to understand all Vedic principles is also part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa and as such is also Kṛṣṇa. In all the Vedic mantras the word om, called praṇava, is a transcendental sound vibration and is also Kṛṣṇa. And because in all the hymns of the four Vedas, Sāma, Yajur, Ṛg and Atharva, the praṇava or omkāra is very prominent, it is understood to be Kṛṣṇa. end quote.
�.this point number one is the ideal for us�the vision of the maha-bhagavat�the vision of Srila Prabhupada.
So in a higher sense there is no need to feel sad or poor about our station. Quote by Nava
I do not agree. How we can be happy if we are in separation from Lord? If we have no bhakti? We can not say that it is all right if we are separate from Him! We will accept whatever he wants, aslisya va pada-ratam pinastu mam adarsanan marma-hatam karotu va, if you like you may embrace me or if you like you may trample me, but use me as you like, but in the same time we are feeling sad or poor because we are not with Lord:
yugayitam nimesena
caksusa pravrsayitam
sunyayitam jagat sarvam
govinda virahena me
"My Lord Govinda, because of separation from You, I consider even
a moment a great millennium. Tears flow from My eyes like torrents of
rain, and I see the entire world as void." Quote by Igor
Yes Igor the advanced devotee feels this anguish in separation. The point I was trying to bring out is, for souls like me who have not yet tasted this pure love in separation, we need to find ��balance�� and peace in our spiritual life. In my experience imbalance and feeling miserable in our daily spiritual lives is not conducive to sadhana. I have encountered such dejections and it is not spiritual separation but conditioning.
So we may see as God sees, perfect love and acceptance..quote by Nava
Yes, but there is also difference in acceptance. There is always gradation. We may say - spiritual world. But then we have - Vaikuntha planets,we have Ayodya, Goloka Vrindavana, Navadvipa. There is huge gradation in spirituality. God's love and acceptance is perfect, but there is also difference and gradation in that love. That is variety in unity.
ye yatha mam prapadyante
tams tathaiva bhajamy aham
�All of them as they surrender unto Me I reward accordingly.� Quote by Igor
We must aspire for the vision of the maha-bhagavata. In vaikuntha according to Sri Brhad Bhagavatamrta each devotee is feeling complete happiness in his relation with the Lord. The Lord kindly appears to him in the form he cultivated when he was in the sadhana stage. As far as I know the residents of vaikuntha do not have feelings of inadequacy in their eternal service. So gradation is different than in our present conditioned state. Ofcourse if the soul had good fortune to see Vaikuntha within his heart, by God�s grace he may aspire for Goloka, as per the above quoted scripture. But that good fortune was due to the mantra Gopa Kumara faithfully chanted by the wise instruction of his Guru. By follwing the sadhana of our Gurudeva we may reach the same goal as Gopa Kumara. But as we advance gradation will be seen differently than in our present conditioned frame. Harmony exists in vaikuntha, it does not in this material world.
Please let us continue to help each other and discuss bhakti-katha.
Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krsna quote by Igor
Thank you Igor. If one looks very carefully at my writing he will see it is not from the viewpoint of suddha bhakti preaching. At best it may be karma-mishra bhakti or jnana-mishra bhakti. I have no realization of suddha bhakti unfortunately.
I outlined my post in three points. Point one being Uttmama adhikari, point two being Madhyama adhikari, and point three being Kanistha adhikari. One may see my small attempt at this if looked at closely. Personally I am situated at point three aspiring for point two. According to Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura we must raise ourselves from kanistha to madhyama platform, otherwise there will be no peace.
I have spoken from the view point, maybe carelessly, of a jnana-mishra bhakta. For two reasons. One I have no realization of suddha bhakti, and I am not well studied in scripture. Two, I took this approach to assist those of us who suffer, to be realistic in our approach to bhakti and balanced in our station. To realize our station, not be despondent with that if we are kanistha, and once realizing our station to aspire for the next platform.
Thank you for inspiring me henceforth to speak from the platform of bhakti-katha, which all our acrayas and Sri Caitanya have done in their preaching. My inability to do that kind of pure preaching is surely my shortcoming.
Hopefully readers of my post can discern what platform I speak from and take the essence only, leaving behind the aspects of my mixed devotion, and speculations.
I speak from the platform of my adhikari, which is neophyte, so that I am not fanatic or unrealistic. But conscious of where I am at. I feel such sharing would be more beneficial for the discerning reader with greater understanding of the goal of suddha-bhakti. Being situated on a higher platform they will see my imperfection. Maybe it is careless of me, to teach in such a way, as the beginner may miss out on the simplicity of suddha bhakti preaching. Please forgive me for this approach. The maha-bhagavata is full of compassion, of which I know nothing about.
I know Gurudeva understands my adhikari, and by some good fortune he has given me the grace to share from the heart, and from the viewpoint of a conditioned soul.
Please pray for me that I may be able to speak and share about bhakti-katha soon.
Sorry I have not used quotation marks etc. I don�t know how to use computers that well, and this forum is difficult for me to use.
simply fallen in an ocean of ignorance�.Nava Gauranga dasa.
Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krsna
Regarding Jaiva-dharma:
yanra citte krishna-prema karaye udaya
tanra vakya, kriya, mudra vijneha na bujhaya
"Even the most learned man cannot understand the words, activities and symptoms of a person situated in love of Godhead."C.C.Madhya 23.39
To really understand we must attain level of pure devotion.
Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krsna
Igor
dandavats maharajs and vaisnavas
since no one had an answer to this question I thought I would share this with you, but I would like to ask the Bengali pandits to have a look at Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura Jaiva Dharma and see if there is a print mistake.
Having briefly looked over your references I understand your concern.
quote
When a devotee mocked the Bhagwatam's description of Rahu devouring the moon in Srila Saraswati Thakur's presence Srila Guru Maharaja offered support, "I opposed and came with some far fetched support saying that Bhaktivinode Thakur in Jaiva Dharma has created so many imaginary characters but I think that is not imagination. It might have occurred in some kalpa, some day of Brahma. And that has come. In this way I want to support that what is necessary to prove reality has got some real position."
Taking it that what is presented is accurate, in the light of what Srila Guru Maharaja says we can adjust. Also we are told there are 100 chapters in Brahma Samhita and this may be from one of the other chapters (other than the 5th).
Sripad Goswami Mahara,
we need to study our books because if a fool like me can find discrepancy what about the so called inteligencea
lowerthanarat
Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krsna
Thank you Nava for wonderful answer. I agree with you in most points. Let us discuss more about bhakti. Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krsna
So if we can awaken to a vision that all is complete and perfect we will never see lack in others
As far as I understand devotees see duality - this world is not perfect and complete, what is missing is bhakti, devotional service. Impersonalists say that all is one, all is perfect, good etc. This world is incomplete and imperfect. We are also. We forgot Krsna. This whole creation is in lack of Krsna. We can not sit in jail and try to see cells and other prisoners to be perfect. Everybody here is in lack of Krsna.
So in a higher sense there is no need to feel sad or poor about our station.
I do not agree. How we can be happy if we are in separation from Lord? If we have no bhakti? We can not say that it is all right if we are separate from Him! We will accept whatever he wants, aslisya va pada-ratam pinastu mam adarsanan marma-hatam karotu va, if you like you may embrace me or if you like you may trample me, but use me as you like, but in the same time we are feeling sad or poor because we are not with Lord:
yugayitam nimesena
caksusa pravrsayitam
sunyayitam jagat sarvam
govinda virahena me
"My Lord Govinda, because of separation from You, I consider even
a moment a great millennium. Tears flow from My eyes like torrents of
rain, and I see the entire world as void."
So we may see as God sees, perfect love and acceptance..
Yes, but there is also difference in acceptance. There is always gradation. We may say - spiritual world. But then we have - Vaikuntha planets,we have Ayodya, Goloka Vrindavana, Navadvipa. There is huge gradation in spirituality. God's love and acceptance is perfect, but there is also difference and gradation in that love. That is variety in unity.
ye yatha mam prapadyante
tams tathaiva bhajamy aham
�All of them as they surrender unto Me I reward accordingly.�
Please let us continue to help each other and discuss bhakti-katha.
Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krsna
Nityananda ! Gauranga ! Hare Krishna !
Dear Swami Gaurangapada,
Dandavats Pranaams.
Igor has asked a very good question but it seems the link to the answer is missing here. Please be kind enough to give us the link for the same.
Sincerely,
Mihir.
Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krsna!
Dear Igor and devotees, please accept my simple obiesances.
In my last reply which was short due to late at night, I said sometimes I need the Lord's love due to lack. I would like to share a bit about that lack.
In simple terms there are three ways I can see dealings and relationships with other souls.
1/ The absolute truth Sri Krsna is exactly that, absolute. He is everything. Perfect and complete. And everything that emanates from him is also perfect and complete. Even in the stories when he was fighting demons, the demons were also part of his play. Perfect play. So if we can awaken to a vision that all is complete and perfect, we will never see lack in others, and we will have attained Krsna consciousness.
2/ Or we can see this world as perfect in another way. That the supersoul is granting the desires of all jivas. In a relative sense there may appear to be disparity, unequality etc. But if we can somehow see with a higher vision we can still understand God's manifestation and designs are perfect. That each soul is reaping its desires and will gradually learn. Like a school. Such is the kindness of God, gentle, patient, wise teacher. Loving to all the children because he sees their potential and true abilities that will manifest upon graduation. Each child is unique in their growth. So this is also perfect. We are fortunate if we can see this way, and accept what is.
3/ Third. This way of seeing is more conditioned. The realm of lack. The realm of needing Krsna due to suffering, or realizing our inadequacies. This is the realm of conditioned projection of the mind. In our lack we see the whole world is lacking. it is actually a dream and not real. We feel separation from others, from God....and we feel needy. We cry out to God in love, please help me...I am desperate. This is not the realm of pure love, pure love only wishes to satisfy the other. But saying that, in God's eyes it is still perfect, He sees no lack. Only our fearful conditioned self sees the lack. We see by God's grace our lack and then choose change. We realize we need to grow. Sin is nothing but lack of love. And what is lack of love? not realizing we are perfect and complete, that we have never fallen, that we are pure spirit serving God.
So in a higher sense there is no need to feel sad or poor about our station. All we need to do is welcome the voice of God, and accept his guiding hand, which is pure love. He will lead us to vision of beatitude, of what truly is.
There is a fourth way of seeing. Its hellish, its the realm of defiant false ego, hate, war, unforgiveness etc. It is total separation.
Now, why do the great Mahatmas the great souls show such humility and profess to have no love for Krsna. I am not sure really? I am not sure of their state of consciousness and deep love. Maybe they show us true humility by this example? So as to never grade other beings as higher or lower on some scale. So we may see as God sees, perfect love and acceptance.
For those who have accepted me, I truly thank you. By such grace and kindness I am be able to accept myself as perfect and complete spirit soul, particle of reality the beautiful. That is the key. so lets accept others and heal all too. Reciprocation in divine love.
These are my aspirations while walking this lifetime.
your servant...Nava Gauranga dasa.
Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna! Jaya Shri Guru Parampara! Pranams! Since the number of totally new visitors to our website has been continuously increasing, I have decided to design a static portal site at NITAAI.com which will give all the basic information and introduction about NITAAI Yoga in a nutshell. NITAAI.net will continue as our present Forums and Main Community Site as we are doing here now for all our Devotees and both NITAAI.com and NITAAI.net will be interlinked. The goal is that the new visitors can get a good introduction about NITAAI Yoga and then join our Forums here are and participate in understanding the deeper truths about our philosophy like what we are doing now. I have designed a rough structure for this portal site in the form of the above Menu and it's subitems. Please mouseover all the items to view their subitems. If you have some suggestions, additions, etc. for the above menu, please do let me know, as it will determine the final structure of our NITAAI.com portal site. I will personally write all the page items in this menu for this portal in a very concise and clear manner and post them on the forums one by one for further suggestions from you. Let us make it a nice source of all the basic philosophical information of Naama Bhakti Yoga.
Daaso'smi, Swami Gaurangapada.
dandavats maharaj and vaisnavas
Everything that is written in the material world is the resting place of the crows as Srila Prabhupada put it. Also we are told every thing is created by the mind of people is bond to fail as we are told we have four defects which are the tendency, and the to cheat. to make mistakes, we are in illusion, and have imperfect sense.
And unless you had the good fortune to have a good Gurudev to guide to then you will fail. We have to protect our self with the tools our Gurudev gave us, The maha mantra, his books, his lectures, and his kirttans, then we will be safe. Listen to his words only take prasadam that you offered your Gurudev, or the deity of Sri Guru Garanga, and Radha Krsna. Only by good fortune and the mercy of Sri Guru Gauranga we will be protected when we need to read these material newspaper, book etc for preaching.
lowerthanarat
Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krsna
Thank you on wonderful answers and discussion. Nityananda Gauranga
Topic of this thread is acceptance and equal vision. I agree with all points that you had made. We should be always humble and tolerant, really see ourselves insignificant and fallen. Let us discuss more! What is right vision? Is it our perception of material connections /father/relatives/son etc or it is vision that we all are spiritual souls? Is right vision - Krsna's vision? Arjuna did not want to fight - that was his vision, but Krsna said to Him - fight, that was His vision. Sri Minaketana Ramadasa was highest devotee of Lord, yet He become extremely angry and broke his flute due his anger when devotee disrespect Lord Nityananda, evan that devotee was worshiping Lord Krsna at thatsame time! Interesting.
Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krsna
Igor
Dear Maharajs and Vaisnavas dandavats
Surly a Vaisnava respects every one, and is tolerant and humble with every one.
As in Sri Gita the sages see everyone equally.
But we must protect our self just like if we go into a contaminated place we protact ourself
by making sure we have the right inoculations.
The same goes when we meet some Vaisnavas who are not following the same Gaudiya Vaisnava path, or may be offensive to our Gurudev so we offer our respects at a distance.
I noticed I am classed as a devotee please dear friends I am not a devotee.
I am only trying to practice; so please can call me a practitioner.
Only those great souls who are devoted 24-7 365 days a year are devotees in my eyes.
lowerthanarat
Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krishna!
Dear Bhakta Igor, please accept my humble obeisances.
We can also reverse the question and ask ourselves: Do we need to be selective and be �good� to some people and to others not? Do we judge a person from the point of view of our eternal constitutional position or from our material conditioned position? In the material conditioning people fight like cats and dogs over the most insignificant things, they are all angry by default because they can never satisfy themselves enough. Their sense gratification is like fuel on the fire and they are entangled in the blazing fire of so much pain. In most cases their anger is a deep frustration and a cry for help: please take my pain away and show me a way that I can be fully satisfied! Are we indifferent to their cry? Or are we full of compassion towards them? Is our answer towards them from the spiritual point of view or the material one?
Our answer is closely related to our own spiritual development. When we would see the Lord in everything, in every living being, when we see the actual position of everyone of being an eternal happy servant of the Lord, how can we act differently than out of full respect and compassion? Just our very divine vision itself forbids us to be �not good� to them and we bow down before the Lord in them. A practical example: A friend of mine made some speculative remarks about devotional service. He more or less fantasized about how the Lord should act towards him. I felt compelled to raise my finger and say �no, no, that�s not the way you can think.� He in turn became really mad at me and raised his voice and said that he could say and think whatever he wanted. His said that his vision was as much worth as mine and he didn�t like my waiving with the finger and �teaching� him differently. I picked up my beadbag and started chanting, not provocative but silently within myself to seek refuge in the Lord because the last thing I wanted was to get mad also. After about twenty minutes my friend fell flat on the floor and asked for my forgiveness�he said: �You have convinced me. I was angry at you and your only answer was love. I am so sorry for my behavior.� I told him: �Actually it was my fault because I should never have waived my finger and act so teacher-like, I should have been more subtle in my reply.� Anyway, we hugged and we chanted and song kirtan for hours together.
It was tempting to reply with discussion, arguments and proud knowledge. It is so easy to �bite� back, especially when I think I am right. It is the art of devotional service to be humble and to elevate the environment. When we can somehow become less than others, �get under them�, we can carry them out on our shoulders. When we try to stay on top both we will sink deeper. Humbleness is such an art and especially challenging when others are not appreciative and even criticize our small devotional activities. But when we become unharmonious with them what result can we expect? Do we please the Lord by becoming indifferent towards them?
There is an exception when it means that our own Bhakti comes in danger. It all depends on our own devotional strength like we were discussing in the other treat about mayavadis. Their teachings can be very dangerous for our own bhajana and drag us down from the path of Bhakti.
The answer to the war between the suras and asuras is given by Lord Krishna in another Yuga. He came to destroy all the demons. But in this Yuga the most merciful Lord Nityananda and Lord Gauranga came to deliver all living entities and They don�t make any distinction between good and bad. They simply came to deliver all. When we want to be a part of Lord Gauranga�s sankirtana movement we have the obligation to learn to see everybody in his or her constitutional position so we can act upon our divine vision and �elevate our environment�.
Thanks Igor for your nice question.
Your servant,
Hadai Nityananda dasa
Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krishna!
I dont know for sure Igor, but if I am disrespectful or not humble, which is often....then I feel deep longing to see Krsna in all due to lack. As Hadai said, when we are not full of ourself, Krsna then has room to dance. Maybe we should try to cultivate within that all others are more realized in their hearts than us. And lately as family and others open to me, by good fortune, I realize its actually true. Elders are full of wisdom and patience, also cultivating the best they can.
Nava wrote:
Its an internal work that needs to be done to have harmonious relations with others, and the environment.
And necessary for me to learn to be a good servant oneday. And a good friend to all..
Nitaai Gauraaaa
I agree. Just one more or less relevant question:Do we need to be "good" to all? I mean, I have been in numerous situations where persons, relatives etc do not appreciate devotional activities, and yet I acted according to trinad api sunicena verse, trying to be humble and tolerant. Does "to be tolerant" mean to be tolerant toward persons who are not appreciative and even criticize our small devotional activities? Do we really need to be harmonious toward all? There is war among sura and asuras described in Bhagavatam. I mean do we need to be harmonious for any price toward those who are not in harmony with Bhagavan?
Nityananda Gauranga
Igor
Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krsna
Wonderfull thread! Thanks for sharing and enlightening!
Igor
nitaai mora jivana
Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krishna!
Dear Nava, please accept my humble obeisances.
What a beautiful affirmation to give up all control and to allow the Lord to dance on your tongue. Indeed, when we are full of ourselves how can we make space for the Lord? Only when we step aside (give up control) we allow the Lord to fully to enter our being. The beautiful news in your case is that you have already seen everything in its spiritual identity (referring to your last beautiful video). That absolute beautiful divine vision is already within your potential. You do not have to seek for it anymore. Now it is only a matter of seeing it more frequently so that its influence starts to saturate your life and the lives of those you are in contact with. When you keep walking the path of Bhakti this will surely happen. Thank you for sharing your innermost feelings including your insecurities. This kind of honesty can help generations of aspiring devotees and I bow humbly at your lotus feet for your jewel like contributions.
Your servant,
Hadai Nityananda dasa
Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krishna!
The Search For Sri Krsna
Reality The Beautiful
Through His holy name
sound transcendental
preached and practiced by Sri Caitanyadeva
who is none other than Radha and Govinda combined
and propagated by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura
by
His Divine Grace Bhakti Raksaka Srila Sridhara Deva Goswami
Founder Acarya of the Sri Caitanya Saraswat Math
Firing Blank Mantras
Krsna will appear of His own accord. He will descend upon your tongue, and then your tongue will be able to chant the name of Krsna. A gun that has no bullet, but only a blank, may make some sound, but no bullet is actually fired. Similarly, chanting the name of Krsna without an attitude of service produces sound, but that is only tongue deep. It is like firing a gun with blanks instead of bullets. Our chanting of the holy name of Krsna must be surcharged with a serving temperament, the tendency to satisfy Krsna.
Otherwise the sound we produce is bogus. It is only an imitation, or a permutation. The holy name cannot be experienced by our senses. It is supramental and trans�cendental. An ordinary sound of this mundane world cannot be the name of Krsna. Our ear cannot even hear the name if that mediator, the serving attitude, is not there. The earnestness to satisfy Krsna's will must med�iate between Krsna and the ear, through the mind. Then only will Krsna's name enter our ear and reveal to us His form, qualities, and pastimes. The holy name is not phys�ical, it is aprakrta, transcendental, supramundane. Only through our service attitude will it come down to this mundane world.
Our guru maharaja laid the highest stress on developing a serving attitude. Otherwise it is all bogus, all imitation. And people will say, "Oh, there is no Krsna there. These men are hypocrites. They are only dancing and making noise, they are not surcharged with a serving spirit." Only through service can we directly come in contact with Krsna. The real point is to practice how to attain the spirit of service, vaisnava seva. The Vaisnava is doing service, and we must imbibe from him the methods of attaining this serving attitude.
Under the order of a devotee we must practice to give ourselves. Self abnegation and self dedication are neces�sary. And that positive thing we will receive from a devotee. If children are given pen and paper in the begin�ning, it will not be fruitful, so a stone is given, and on the earth they practice writing. So, in the beginning, we must try to practice how we can develop a serving at�titude, dedicating habit. It is our innate wealth, and that is our solace.
If we try to develop a serving attitude, the pure de�votee will help us. It is said that if one is miserly, he should at least give some trash in charity to anyone. One says to a miser, "At least give some trash to others and practice your hand to give." So, the serving spirit is a high thing. We must practice to give ourselves in the service of Krsna.
We must not be afraid that we are not attaining the highest form of service in namabhajan, the worship of the holy name. We should not think, "Why have I been asked to sweep the temple? Any ordinary man can do this." We must not be afraid of that. It is necessary for us to acquire a service attitude. Self giving, selflessness, and self forgetfulness are required. It is said that Socrates is an example of self forgetfulness and Jesus Christ is an example of self sacrifice. And for what purpose? For the cause of the Supreme. And for that we must have a positive connection with a devotee. Under his order we will connect with the plane of service. Our energy may go to the transcendental plane only by his grace or media�tion. So, our guru maharaja, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura, laid ninety percent stress on de�veloping a service attitude for preaching, and that should be our aim, whatever our position may be.
Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna!
Dandavats and obeissances.
I would like to comment that this reply is in no way trying to take the place of the answer that is meant for Swami Gaurangapada give, I just wanted to share what I felt.
Personally I don't think the consciousness of car makers are going to be transferred to the person anywhere near as much as the consciousness of a Mayavada through reading his book or listening to him, especially when you can blast devotional kirtans in your car. I guess you wouldn't be affected by a Mayavada if you only spoke the holy names loudly and didn't let him get a word in. One actually needs a car and other such things in today's world. We surely don't need to read or listen to Mayavada philosophy for any reason as it is not even close to being necessary.
I think Mayavada association is the most dangerous of all, much more dangerous than even a regular foolish materialist. A materialist doesn't really make too much of an endeavor to minimize the form of God like a Mayavada does, who actually makes an effort. Of course we can be contaminated by any material association, through books, etc. That is why we should only do when absolutely necessary and have our mind focused on Nitai Gaura and the Vaisnavas at the same time. Just look as how Srila Swami Gaurangapada went to college and he remained like a lotus. This just takes a level of intelligence and fortitude.
Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krishna
Jagannatha Gauranga dasa
Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna!
Thank You Hadai for Your interesting point.
In my humble opinion, when it comes to reading non-vaishnava books, there is a considerable distinction between common mundane books of materialistic minded people (including scientific literature) and the literature of the so-called spiritualists who willingly and knowingly deny the existence of an Eternal Personal God.
In the first case, the authors are quite innocent, just ignorant about everything and their scientific contribution (like psychology You mentioned) can be used by devotees for service purposes. Of course their words are saturated with materialistic conception of life, but that does not endanger our faith and bhakti creeper so much, if we have good association and strong spiritual practice. We are able to use their knowledge without being affected.
In the case of impersonal spiritualists (like Mayavadis) there is a great danger for our bhakti creeper and faith, because their intention is more or less to directly or indirectly deny or minimize the Personal Form of the Lord. They appear to be on our side, when it comes to renunciation of the materialistic life, but they can allure us with a specific kind of spiritual feeling which is diametrically opposed to ours and which is being subtly transmitted via their writings. Their words can infect us with their mentality and weaken our faith in bhakti. It must not necessarily be the case every time, but the above-mentioned danger is always there.
Yours humbly,
Matus
Thx, Hadai and dear devotees,
I have been working on acceptance and control issues over the last month or so. By God's grace I have seen within me a need for maturity in this area.
Accepting others in their spiritual identity as you say, and allowing Krsna to be the controller, is what I would like to cultivate.
Its an internal work that needs to be done to have harmonious relations with others, and the environment.
And necessary for me to learn to be a good servant oneday. And a good friend to all.
This is my meditation today while accepting the Holy Name and releasing it, on the tongue:
"accept the Holy Name on the tongue - release control of the environment to Krsna"
"accept the environment is in Krsna's hands - release the control of the Holy Name vibration on the tongue and let Krsna dance"
In the last few days I went through some very poor health and suffering, and the Lord released me by his grace, granting mef these small realizations.
And why I suffer. Also one accepting person, without words helped me see.
y.s. Nava Gauranga dasa.
Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krishna!
Dear Swamiji and devotees, please accept my humble obeisances.
The above is a very interesting reply. I agree that when we know up forehand that the author of a book is mayavadi, atheist, or simply against the Lord that we should rather not take any interest whatever he or she writes. Everything that the mayavadis present and can present is already an integral (tiny) part of the whole of the vaisnava philosophy.
A few things come to my mind when you say that we have to read (for our material career) the necessary books for acquiring knowledge. Often these books are written by pure materialists and as you said their actual monistic and offensive thoughts about the personal form of the Lord shines through in their sentences and affect us in a subtle way. The question is can we really separate this �material knowledge� from our �spiritual knowledge?� Are they not very interwoven with each other? Damodara is talking about the practical application of knowledge. What if a car is not designed and developed by a pure Vaisnava with the intention �to spread Krishna consciousness throughout the world�, but by a materialist who doesn�t believe in the holy form of the Lord, or even in the existence of the Lord, and has just the intention to sell as many cars as possible for his own sense gratification? Does this make the utilization of the car for devotional purposes worthless? Or is the internet for that sake worthless? Materialism and �bad intention� from others is fully interwoven into our daily existence and our spiritual life. On the subtle level all the nonsense that is spoken by billions of people through their cell phones crosses our atmosphere constantly even when we are at sleep. We simply cannot avoid the influence. The only thing left is that we learn how to protect our Bhakti creeper from all those influences and the best way is that we surrender all our thoughts and actions and our total being to the Lord. The question is can we really protect ourselves against maya? Only the Lord can protect us from that. We are fully dependant on Him to begin with.
In order �to know the enemy� Srila Prabhupada went even so far that (while flying) he debated in the role of a mayavadi philosopher and the devotees were the defending vaisnavas and visa versa. Sometimes Srila Prabhupada defeated vaisnava arguments with mayavadi philosophy just to show the devotees what they were up to. Of course he then defeated those arguments again with vaisnava philosophy. Again, I totally agree that when it comes to spiritual acquirement we should only read vaisnava literature to receive understanding because it has the right intention. However to find out about somebody�s reputation we have to read something about what they have written. Let�s say you have never heard of a philosopher called �Schelling�, you don�t know his reputation but you read the back cover of his book and it seems interesting. To find out what he really is about we have to read at least some of his work.
In my earlier answer I referred to the psychology of communication. There is a wealth of practical information there about how to communicate more efficient including techniques with which we can see if somebody is sincere or even lying. Some of it is developed by some psychologists and they had nothing spiritual in mind when they developed the techniques. However the techniques are extremely effective when it comes to core-communication. You know within a minute if somebody is sincere interested in your preaching or that they are just polite. When I have to choose to spent my time let�s say with one out of three people at a given moment, I rather spent my time with him or her who is the sincerely interested.
Yes it would be terrible when we would be influenced in such a way that we would lose our Bhakti. The dangers are luring all around us and maya will not wait one second when we show a weak spot. She will enter, exploit and destroy. Our Bhakti creeper is never safe even not when it has grown to a full grown mighty tree. Still a mad elephant can come and destroy everything we have been given. But to stick our head in the sand and not knowing what the enemies� tactics are is also not an option except when we would choose to live in a cave totally oblivious to human society.
Coming back to the practical application of knowledge: I do not think that driving a car from A to B with the intention to deliver the message of Lord Nityananda and Lord Gauranga is roughly disturbed by the fact that the design and production of the car, the road and the traffic lights are created by many non-devotees. As a matter in fact I trust that everybody drives on the right side of the road (in this country) so my undertaking is not suicidal. I understand that there is quite a difference between spiritual advice and driving a car but where exactly do we draw the line? Are both not interwoven into the daily reality as we experience it? Is knowing and confronting your enemy not better than running away from him? In an article on this forum of a few days ago we could see how knowledgeable Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura was of so many different philosophers and their philosophies. How could he have categorized and disposed them so perfectly without understanding them first? Of course we can never compare our conditioned minds to a pure devotee as Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura. But in my humble opinion we can use the practical applications of mundane knowledge for the benefit of inducing the entire planet with Nityananda Gauranga Naam. And ultimately we have to ask ourselves the question: Do we please the Lord with our actions? And when we don�t know the answer we should beg the Lord for His guidance because we can�t do anything without His blessings.
These are some of the thoughts of an insignificant fool.
Hadai Nityananda dasa
Nityananda Gauranga Her Krishna!
Dear Damodara Svarupa dasa, Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna! Jaya Shri Guru Parampara! Pranams! Thank you for your question. The author of the book in question is unfortunately the toughest monist and Mayavadi. They do not believe in Bhakti Yoga and are extremely offensive to Bhakti, Naama, Deity Worship and worshiping any form of God because they believe that every soul is God. It is painful for me to even think about the hardcore monistic philosophy professed by them. All the points which you have mentioned in your post above can be learnt and understood in their pure form from Bhagavad Gita As It Is and our Acharyas' Commentaries and from other practical books in the NITAAI Veda.
For our material career, one can and has to read books from any and all authors necessary for acquiring material knowledge. But for spiritual knowledge, I would personally advise to read books only written by Vaishnavas and those who accept that they are not God themselves even if their flowery language is very attractive to us otherwise their subtle mentality of monism will slowly creep into our hearts and will form a very difficult obstacle to attain Pure Bhakti. And the highest reading matter are the holy books composed by the Gaudiya Acharyas. For the safety and security of our spiritual quest, before reading any book, I would suggest that one tries to first find out if the author is a bonafide Vaishnava and then one can surely read the literature composed by him or her. The words of monists and mental speculators may sound very rosy, practical, useful and relevant to us but one will have to subtly accept their full package even if unknowingly or unwillingly.
If one reads their books, then certainly one may become subtly influenced by their actual monistic and offensive thoughts about the personal form of the Lord (which they try to hide it very carefully behind the curtain of their "attractive" words), since their offensive consciousness would be very subtly presented in their writings. We will not even know that we are taking in such ideas while reading their practical views about life but in the end we will stand to become subtly affected by these writings by non-devotee monists. Their words may even help us in some way practically but at what cost. We don't want to displease Lord Gaura Krishna at any cost or in any way otherwise our ultimate goal of Prema Bhakti goes further away from us.
Bhagavad Gita Ch 2 Verse 42
ya idam pushpitam vacam / pravadanty avipacita
veda-vada-ratah partha / nanyad ast ati vadina
This verse proves that one may easily use even the Vedas and their verses and present some basic truths in a flowery language in order to captivate the minds of the people, slowly but surely ultimately towards their own materialistic, atheistic or monistic philosophy. And when one starts to respect such an author's practical words, then when we read his or her anti-bhakti words, one will not be able to reject those and one will end up being subtle affected by them. I have seen many such cases myself where devotees who practiced Bhakti for many years and considered themselves advanced and immune to this, have permanently given up Bhakti and in some cases even gone against Bhakti by becoming gradually influenced by such kind of authors.
First we may think that we are reading to get some useful tips but later we may gradually begin to get influenced by other "views" of such authors which are presented subtly. This is the reason why Lord Gaura refused to see Mahabhagavata Shrila Mukunda for going to hear from monists etc. and Shrila Svarupa Damodara Goswami strictly chastised even the Mahabhagavata devotee Shrila Bhagavana Acharya for trying to request that Lord Gaura hear the compositions of a monist poet. His composition was so "attractive" that even many of the other Associates of Lord Gaura fell for it and applauded it. But when Shrila Svarupa Damodara Goswami pointed out the offensive and Mayavadic anamolies in the composition, then everyone's eyes opened to the fact. So one may think that one is taking only the gold from dirt and one may think that one is expert in doing it, but one will not even know when the dirt will take control of us and diminish the Bhakti in our hearts. This is more risky that what we can ever imagine. Shrila Prabhupada writes in the purport that even a Mahabhagavata's mind may change by hearing (or reading) such explanations. Then, how much careful we should in comparison.
So the deciding factor is not only what is written in such books but it is very important to check first the ultimate goal and consciousness of the author of the book which will and does subtly percolate and permeate throughout all the sentences in that book.
I have addressed your question philosophically to assist in all further inquiries on this matter by others in the future and is not directed towards any specific individual.
I hope this helps. Please let me know if have any further questions.
Daaso'smi, Swami Gaurangapada.
Atomic War in Ancient India
These verses are from the Mahabharata (written in ancient Dravidian, then later in Sanskrit) and describe horrific wars fought long before the recorder's lifetime.
* Various omens appeared among the gods: winds blew, meteors fell in thousands, thunder rolled through a cloudless sky.
* There he saw a wheel with a rim as sharp as a razor whirling around the soma... Then taking the soma, he broke the whirling machine...
* Drona called Arjuna and said: "Accept from me this irresistible weapon called Brahmasira. But you must promise never to use it against a human foe, for if you did it might destroy the world. If any foe who is not a human attacks you, you may use it against him in battle. None but you deserves the celestial weapon that I gave you."
This is a curious statement, as what other kind of foe different from a human might there have been? Are we talking about an interplanetary war?
* I shall fight you with a celestial weapon given to me by Drona. He then hurled the blazing weapon...
* At last they came to blows, and seizing their maces struck each other.they fell like falling suns.
* These huge animals, like mountains struck by Bhima's mace, fell with their heads broken, fell upon the ground like cliffs loosened by thunder.
* Bhima took him by the arm and dragged him away to an open place where they began to fight like two elephants mad with rage. The dust they raised resembled the smoke of a forest fire; it covered their bodies so that they looked like swaying cliffs wreathed in mist.
* Arjuna and Krishna rode to and fro in their chariots on either side of the forest and drove back the creatures which tried to escape. Thousands of animals were burnt, pools and lakes began to boil... The flames even reached Heaven... Indra without loss of time set out for Khandava and covered the sky with masses of clouds; the rain poured down but it was dried in mid-air by the heat.
Several historical records claim that Indian culture has been around for literally tens of thousands of years. Yet, until 1920, all the "experts" agreed that the origins of the Indian civilisation should be placed within a few hundred years of Alexander the Great's expedition to the subcontinent in 327 BC. However, that was before several great cities like Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro (Mound of the Dead), Kot Diji, Kalibanga and Lothal were discovered and excavated. Lothal, a former port city now miles from the ocean, was discovered in Gujarat, western India, just in the late 20th century.20 These discoveries have forced archaeologists to push back the dates for the origin of Indian civilisation by thousands of years--in line with what the Indians themselves have insisted all along.
A wonder to modern-day researchers, the cities were highly developed and advanced. The way that each city was laid out in regular blocks, with streets crossing each other at right angles and the entire city laid out in sections, gives archaeologists cause to believe that the cities were conceived as a whole before they were built--a remarkable early example of city planning. Even more remarkable is that the plumbing/sewage systems throughout the large cities were so sophisticated--superior to those found in many Asian countries today. Sewers were covered, and most homes had private toilets and running water. Furthermore, the water and sewage systems were kept well separated.21, 22, 23
This advanced culture had its own writing, which has never been deciphered. The people used personalised clay seals to officialise documents and letters. Some of the seals found contain figures of animals that are unknown to us today, including an extinct form of the Brahman bull.
Archaeologists really have no idea who the builders were, but their attempts to date the ruins (which they ascribe to the "Indus Valley civilisation", also called "Harappan") have come up with something like 2500 BC and older, but radiation from the wars apparently fought in the area may have thrown off the date.
The Rama Empire, described in the Mahabharata and Ramayana, was supposedly contemporaneous with the great cultures of Atlantis and Osiris in the West.
Atlantis, well known from Plato's writings and ancient Egyptian records, apparently existed in the mid-Atlantic and was a highly technological and patriarchal civilisation.
The Osirian civilisation existed in the Mediterranean basin and northern Africa, according to esoteric doctrine and archaeological evidence, and is generally known as pre-dynastic Egypt. It was flooded when Atlantis sank and the Mediterranean began to fill up with water.
The Rama Empire flourished during the same period, according to esoteric tradition, fading out in the millennium after the destruction of the Atlantean continent.
As noted above, the ancient Indian epics describe a series of horrific wars--wars which could have been fought between ancient India and Atlantis, or perhaps a third party in the Gobi region. The Mahabharata and the Drona Parva speak of the war and of the weapons used: great fireballs that could destroy a whole city; "Kapila's Glance", which could burn 50,000 men to ashes in seconds; and flying spears that could ruin whole "cities full of forts".
The Rama Empire was started by the Nagas (Naacals) who had come into India from Burma and ultimately from "the Motherland to the east"--or so Colonel James Churchward was told. After settling in the Deccan Plateau in northern India, they made their capital in the ancient city of Deccan, where the modern city of Nagpur stands today.
The empire of the Nagas apparently began to extend all over northern India to include the cities of Harappa, Mohenjo-Daro and Kot Diji (now in Pakistan), as well as Lothal, Kalibanga, Mathura and possibly other cities such as Benares, Ayodha and Pataliputra.
These cities were led by "Great Teachers" or "Masters" who were the benevolent aristocracy of the Rama civilisation. Today they are generally called "Priest-Kings" of the Indus Valley civilisation, and a number of statues of these so-called gods have been discovered. In reality, these were apparently men whose mental and psychic powers were of a degree that seems incredible to most people of today. It was at the height of power for both the Rama Empire and Atlantis that the war allegedly broke out, seemingly because of Atlantis's attempt to subjugate Rama.
According to the Lemurian Fellowship lesson materials, the populace surrounding Mu (Lemuria, which predated the other civilisations) eventually split into two opposing factions: those who prized practicality and those who prized spirituality. The citizenry, or educated elite, of Mu itself was balanced equally in these two qualities. The citizenry encouraged the other groups to emigrate to uninhabited lands. Those who prized practicality emigrated to the Poseid Island group (Atlantis), and those who prized spirituality eventually ended up in India. The Atlanteans, a patriarchal civilisation with an extremely materialistic, technologically oriented culture, deemed themselves "Masters of the World" and eventually sent a well-equipped army to India in order to subjugate the Rama Empire and bring it under the suzerainty of Atlantis.
One account of the battle, related by the Lemurian Fellowship, tells how the Rama Empire Priest-Kings defeated the Atlanteans. Equipped with a formidable force and a "fantastic array of weapons", the Atlanteans landed in their vailixi outside one of the Rama cities, got their troops in order and sent a message to the ruling Priest-King of the city that he should surrender. The Priest-King sent word back to the Atlantean General:
We of India have no quarrel with you of Atlantis. We ask only that we be permitted to follow our own way of life.
Regarding the ruler's mild request as a confession of weakness and expecting an easy victory--as the Rama Empire did not possess the technology of war or the aggressiveness of the Atlanteans--the Atlantean General sent another message:
We shall not destroy your land with the mighty weapons at our command, provided you pay sufficient tribute and accept the rulership of Atlantis.
The Priest-King of the city responded humbly again, seeking to avert war:
We of India do not believe in war and strife, peace being our ideal. Neither would we destroy you or your soldiers who but follow orders. However, if you persist in your determination to attack us without cause and merely for the purpose of conquest, you will leave us no recourse but to destroy you and all of your leaders. Depart, and leave us in peace.
Arrogantly, the Atlanteans did not believe that the Indians had the power to stop them, certainly not by technical means. At dawn, the Atlantean army began to march on the city. From a high viewpoint, the Priest-King sadly watched the army advance. Then he raised his arms heavenward, and using a particular mental technique he caused the General and then each officer in order of rank to drop dead in his tracks, perhaps of some sort of heart failure. In a panic, and without leaders, the remaining Atlantean force fled to the waiting vailixi and retreated in terror to Atlantis. Of the sieged Rama city, not one man was lost.
While this may be nothing but fanciful conjecture, the Indian epics go on to tell the rest of the horrible story, and things do not turn out well for Rama. Assuming the above story is true, Atlantis was not pleased at the humiliating defeat and therefore used its most powerful and destructive weapon--quite possibly an atomic-type weapon!
Consider these verses from the ancient Mahabharata:
...(it was) a single projectile
Charged with all the power of the Universe.
An incandescent column of smoke and flame
As bright as the thousand suns
Rose in all its splendour...
..it was an unknown weapon,
An iron thunderbolt,
A gigantic messenger of death,
Which reduced to ashes
The entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas.
..The corpses were so burned
As to be unrecognisable.
The hair and nails fell out;
Pottery broke without apparent cause,
And the birds turned white.
After a few hours
All foodstuffs were infected...
...to escape from this fire
The soldiers threw themselves in streams
To wash themselves and their equipment.24
In the way we traditionally view ancient history, it seems absolutely incredible that there was an atomic war approximately 10,000 years ago. And yet, of what else could the Mahabharata be speaking? Perhaps this is just a poetic way to describe cavemen clubbing each other to death; after all, that is what we are told the ancient past was like. Until the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, modern mankind could not imagine any weapon as horrible and devastating as those described in the ancient Indian texts. Yet they very accurately described the effects of an atomic explosion. Radioactive poisoning will make hair and nails fall out. Immersing oneself in water gives some respite, though is not a cure.
Interestingly, Manhattan Project chief scientist Dr J. Robert Oppenheimer was known to be familiar with ancient Sanskrit literature. In an interview conducted after he watched the first atomic test, he quoted from the Bhagavad Gita:
'Now I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds.'
I suppose we all felt that way.
When asked in an interview at Rochester University seven years after the Alamogordo nuclear test whether that was the first atomic bomb ever to be detonated, his reply was:
Well, yes, in modern history.25
Great Civilisations Meet their Doom
Incredible as it may seem, archaeologists have found evidence in India and Pakistan, indicating that some cities were destroyed in atomic explosions. When excavations of Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro reached the street level, they discovered skeletons scattered about the cities, many holding hands and sprawling in the streets as if some instant, horrible doom had taken place. People were just lying, unburied, in the streets of the city. And these skeletons are thousands of years old, even by traditional archaeological standards. What could cause such a thing? Why did the bodies not decay or get eaten by wild animals? Furthermore, there is no apparent cause of a physically violent death.
These skeletons are among the most radioactive ever found, on par with those at Nagasaki and Hiroshima. At one site, Soviet scholars found a skeleton which had a radioactive level 50 times greater than normal.26
The Russian archaeologist A. Gorbovsky mentions the high incidence of radiation associated with the skeletons in his 1966 book, Riddles of Ancient History.27 Furthermore, thousands of fused lumps, christened "black stones", have been found at Mohenjo-Daro. These appear to be fragments of clay vessels that melted together in extreme heat.
Other cities have been found in northern India that show indications of explosions of great magnitude. One such city, found between the Ganges and the mountains of Rajmahal, seems to have been subjected to intense heat. Huge masses of walls and foundations of the ancient city are fused together, literally vitrified! And since there is no indication of a volcanic eruption at Mohenjo-Daro or at the other cities, the intense heat to melt clay vessels can only be explained by an atomic blast or some other unknown weapon.28, 29, 30 The cities were wiped out entirely.
If we accept the Lemurian Fellowship stories as fact, then Atlantis wanted to waste no more time with the Priest-Kings of Rama and their mental tricks. In terrifying revenge, they utterly destroyed the Rama Empire, leaving no country even to pay tribute to them. The areas around the cities of Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro have also been desolated in the past, though agriculture takes place to a limited extent in the vicinity today.
It is said in esoteric literature that Atlantis at the same time, or shortly afterwards, also attempted to subjugate a civilisation extant in the area of the Gobi Desert, which was then a fertile plain. By using so-called scalar wave weaponry and firing through the centre of the Earth, they wiped out their adversaries--and possibly did themselves in at the same time!
Much speculation naturally exists in connection with remote history. We may never actually know the complete truth, though ancient texts still in existence are certainly a good start.
Atlantis met its own doom, according to Plato, by sinking into the ocean in a mighty cataclysm--not too long after the war with the Rama Empire, I imagine.
Srinagar is also connected with the fantastic war that destroyed the Rama Empire in ancient times. The massive ruins of a temple called Parshaspur can be found just outside Srinagar. It is a scene of total destruction. Huge blocks of stone are scattered about a wide area, giving the impression of explosive annihilation. 31 Was Parshaspur destroyed by some fantastic weapon during one of the horrendous battles detailed in the Mahabharata?
Another curious sign of an ancient nuclear war in India is a giant crater near Bombay. The nearly circular 2,154-metre-diameter Lonar crater, located 400 kilometres northeast of Bombay and aged at less than 50,000 years old, could be related to nuclear warfare of antiquity. No trace of any meteoric material, etc., has been found at the site or in the vicinity, and this is the world's only known "impact" crater in basalt. Indications of great shock (from a pressure exceeding 600,000 atmospheres) and intense, abrupt heat (indicated by basalt glass spherules) can be ascertained from the site.
Orthodoxy cannot, of course, concede nuclear possibilities for such craters, even in the absence of any material meteorite or related evidence. If such geologically recent craters as the Lonar are of meteoric origin, then why don't such tremendous meteorites fall today? The Earth's atmosphere 50,000 years ago probably was not much different from today's, so a lighter atmosphere cannot be advanced as an hypothesis to explain an immense-sized meteorite, which of course would be considerably reduced by heat oxidisation within a gaseously heavier atmosphere. A theory was advanced by American space consultant Pat Frank, to the effect that some of the huge craters on the Earth may be scars from ancient nuclear explosions!32
The echoes of ancient atomic warfare in southern Asia continue to this day, with India and Pakistan currently threatening each other. Modern India is proud of its nukes, likening them to "Rama's Arrow". Similarly, Pakistan would love to use its Islamic atomic bombs on India. Ironically, Kashmir, possibly the site of an earlier atomic war, is the focus of this conflict. Will the past repeat itself in Pakistan and India?
There is always the possibility that this has all happened before.
From Dark Truth website.
Lowerthanarat
Nityaananda! Gauraanga! Hare Krishna!