Live Chat: How to Chant With Remembrance

May 7, 2008.

guest3830 says: Greetings and dandavats! This is Sarvabhauma das.
Swami says: Welcome Sarvabhauma dasa
Swami says: Thank you for your nice translation of the video
guest3830 says: Not at all. Please accept my humble obeisances.
Swami says: I hope Bhajana is going nicely
guest3830 says: I cannot call it bhajana in my case. It is all mechanical.
guest3830 says: I don't know what real bhakti is.
Swami says: Real Bhakti comes from Remembrance or Smarana
guest3830 says: Smarana comes from shravana and kirtana, right?
Swami says: Yes
Swami says: It is the life of Shravana and Kirtana
guest3830 says: Why is then remembrance not nicely manifested even after prolonged hearing and chanting?
Swami says: Because we are not desiring it intensely while chanting.
Swami says: Clouds of our Anarthas and Mist of the our Ignorance is the cause.
Swami says: We need to make a voluntary effort for smarana while chanting, it is known as Sveccha Purvika
guest3830 says: Effort to remember what?
Swami says: Any of the Lord's attributes
guest3830 says: For me its easier to just try and concentrate of the sound and syllables of the Name. Will this give natural remembrance of the Lord's attributes when the clouds of ignorance and anarthas are removed?
Swami says: That would be a difficult path
Swami says: Shrila Sacchidananda Bhaktivinoda Thakura recommends us to see the Form and close one's eyes and see the Form while chanting
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guest3830 says: Yes. I am not accustomed to this practice and I tried several times and easily get distracted. May be I should practice more.
Swami says: This practice should be more easier than just hearing the sound. When we are simply hearing the sound, the mind is not engaged
Nava Gauranga dasa says: Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krsna! please accpet my simple obiesances dear guest and Swami
guest3830 says: Yes. Welcome Nava Gauranga dasa prabhu! Please accept my humble obeisances. I will be back in a minute.
Nava Gauranga dasa says: jai
Nava Gauranga dasa says: could you share a little please about jaap and seeing ourself as a follower or sri rupa?
guest3830 says: I am back. I feel uneasy in your presence. You are such elevated souls.
Swami says: Rupanuga Japa begins when we cross the stage of Vaidhi Bhakti
Nava Gauranga dasa says: I am not elevated Sarva...very basic...just live at home and do little service)
Swami says: It is not to be imitated.
Nava Gauranga dasa says: I see
Swami says: How we remember our position in Shri Rupa's camp while chanting, if we don't remember the Form of the Lord first while chanting
Swami says: Naama -> Form -> Guna -> Then Lilaa
Nava Gauranga dasa says: yes...
guest3830 says: Should the form we try to remember correspond to the particular name we are chanting at that time?
Swami says: Yes, the Naama should be the basis of our Remembrance
Swami says: Only remembrance without Naama will not be complete
Swami says: Nava, your name is big for this room, so we cannot see whether you are typing
Swami says: This Room accepts the forum name directly
Nava Gauranga dasa says: can I make it smaller?
Swami says: Please tell me the smaller name you would prefer and I can do it for you
Nava Gauranga dasa says: Nava
Nava Gauranga dasa says: thx
Swami says: Ok, it is done, you will have to reload this page and it should log you in as Nava
Nava Gauranga dasa says: so Maharaja...what is best as we are learning this jaap yoga...how to enter meditation on the form?
Nava says: thank you
Nava says: its nice to be with you both
guest3830 says: Same here.
Swami says: http://nitaaiveda.com/SG_Translated_and … Mantra.htm
Swami says: That should give you the process.
Nava says: thank you very much....I will make strong determination to study this
Swami says: While turning the beads with the fingers and reciting the maha-mantra, one should search out the meaning of the names with the mind. Then one will be able to meditate on the transcendental form of the Lord while chanting. Another procedure is to sit in front of the Deity of the Lord and behold His beautiful form while chanting and meditating on the maha-mantra. When the maha-mantra and the form of the Lord become one while chanting, one should voluntarily practise to remember the 64 transcendental qualities of Lord Krishna. Thereafter when the maha-mantra, the form and the qualities of Krishna become one by regular practice, one should begin meditating on the pastimes (mantra-dhyana-mayi lila) of Lord Krishna and gradually make the pastimes one with the maha-mantra, the form and the qualities of Krishna. As the meditation on the pastimes of the Lord while chanting becomes firmly established, the sadhaka can start meditating on the eight-fold daily pastimes of Shri Shri Radha and Krishna in the spiritual world as per one�s eternal constitutional position (svarasiki) and thus gradually but fully arouse the (rasa) mellow of pure love of God.
Swami says: That is the exact process in the words of Shrila Sacchidananda Bhaktivinoda Thakura. It is same for the Nityaananda and Gauraanga Mantraraajas also.
guest3830 says: So, only trying to concentrate on the sound vibration will not do in the beginning?
Swami says: No, Shrila Sacchidananda Bhaktivinoda Thakura never said to only hear the sound. He speaks about the above for beginners.
Nava says: is this in the above link you just gave?
Nava says: ok...search out the meaning while doing jaap for each name
Nava says: apply focus in that way?
Swami says: Yes, exactly
Nava says: for example Gauranga?
guest3830 says: Ok, thank you!
Swami says: http://nitaaiveda.com/SG_Translated_and … hakura.htm
Swami says: You will find the above quote at this url
Nava says: thx
uest3830 says: Can one advance significantly in chanting the Mantraraajas without receiving Mahadiksha in Them?
Swami says: Certainly one can, if one is chants under a shelter of the instructions or Vani Nityananada Gauranga Naama Tattva Vit devotee.
Nava says: ok in regards to searching out meaning...for example...I am sitting doing jaap of Gauranga Naam...in front of me is a beuatiful photo of Gauranga deity...my heart is feeling devotion due to His 'mercy'....is this the idea in regards to meaning>form>qualities...then I see the name...the eyes and face...the mercy...then pastimes of that mercy?
Swami says: Not exactly, it is more literal than that Nava.
guest3830 says: What is meant by "shelter"? For example I am regularly chanting Nitai Gaura Naam and associating with devotees of Nitaai Sangha through Nitai Veda and this web site. Is this enough?
Swami says: Yes, one should have develop faith in Nityaananda Gauraanga Naama under the guidance of Vani.
Nava says: yes Maharaja....I understand...my way is not structured and will not bring result that well?
Nava says: please attend to guest3830's question...its very essential
Swami says: I mean that one should at least accept Nityaananda Gauraanga Naama Shiksha
Swami says: Nava, your method is not exactly the method given by Shrila Sacchidananda Bhaktivinoda Thakura
Swami says: it is much more easier than what you are doing
20Nava says: tommorrow I will study the link you gave me
guest3830 says: I am sorry for interrupting your conversation. May be it is not good going on with both. Can I just listen to your discussion?
Nava says: I tend to complicate things lol
Swami says: Just see the Form or Photo very deeply, any part of the Lord's Form
Nava says: to be honest prabhu....I need to hear the answers to your questions
Swami says: The close on your eyes and let the Name manifest that Form or Part
Nava says: ok
Swami says: See that Form while Chanting, try to make the Name and Form one in your heart, with eyes opened or closed does not matter
Swami says: It is as simple as that
Swami says: Simple Visualization
Swami says: The focus on the Name should be maintained
Nava says: ok...and this is explained in the link you just gave?
Swami says: Yes, in the first link, all sections are there.
Nava says: ok
Swami says: The Room means everyone can participate or ask questions
Nava says: visulaization is not difficult is it?
Swami says: It is very easy, one can master in a month or so
Swami says: After that one's mind will be very easy to control and the mind will tell us to chant, not vice versa.
Nava says: thank you Gurudeva
Swami says: Always welcome.

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