Re: Lord's simultaneous Pastimes in the material and spiritual world

Dear Srinath! Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna! Thank you for your reply.
Please, let me disagree with you in some points:

1) I am not a prabhu. At least not in this life

2) "We can't define the spiritual world as a place existing in some location defined by space and time. It is not different from the Lord. It is everywhere."

In some point you are right - Spiritual world is fully trancendental. But Srimad Bhagavatam gives us it's direct location - it is above material world. And it is even more high then Vaikuntha. Spiritual world can not be compared with material world. This is truth - Lord is present in each and every creature as a paramatma, but the place where we are living is just a reflection of Spiritual world. As Srila Prabhupada told, our world is like a moon, reflecting in a lake - looks the same, but its not real moon. Same is what you see around you - it is just illusory energy of Lord, but not Lord Himself. So, the place where we are living, can not be even compared to the Spiritual world - it is just illusory energy of Lord.

3) "Actually the pastimes the Lord showed on earth are exactly the same in the spiritual world."

Here also I must humbly disagree. In scriptures is clearly told, that in Spiritual world Lord is always 16 years old. In this case he can not preform his childhood pastimes. Pastimes of Lord in Spiritual world are pastimes with Radha and Gopis... Material world is created for 2 main reasons: 1)  Lord wants to entertain (like He did with different demons) and 2) He wants us, fallen souls put on the right path. Like He did by telling Bhagavat Gita, or as He did introducing Ahimsa as Buddha, or like He tought us lesson of dharma as Raam and in the same time He shows His glories to us, so that we have more devotion. In Goloka he doesn't need to be warrior or a teacher. For that reason there is place, where we all are living now i.e. material world.

4) "As for the other thing, when I say pastimes, you must be thinking that what you are reading within a few hundred pages of a book is all there is being monotonically repeated..."

There can be planet of ants, and He will also incarnate Himself there. We may not say, that He incarnates or shows Himself in some sequence. There is no sequence. It's continuous and has no limitations.

My question was about development of universes - if they develop equally - is it so, that pastimes in these universes are also equal to ours? Its known, that in each Universe there will be Garbhodakasayi Vishnu and Brahma... If creation of particular universe starts same way as in other universes and destruction comes in the same time for all universes (Narayana inhales)... then would that mean, that pastimes of Lord are also the same? (millions and billions of pastimes)

5) "What we read with material eyes are just empty words"

I must comment, that these words are words of Lord Himself and how He is explaining to us all the creation.   We can not drawn into personal experiences without gaining some theoretical knowledge of what our experience. This way our mind can easy mislead us.

I hope, i have explained my thoughts clear... Usually i am not very good in that )
Always ys

K.

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